And yes, I do have my own biases with this, which I hope I can make clear and you are free to disagree with, particularly if other ways work better for you.

– I’m not going to change for any woman;
– I’m not going to become some puppet for any woman; and
– I refuse to succumb to society’s expectation that I marry and/or have children

I won’t avoid women, but won’t get a long term living arrangement with them. As soon as I see red flags, I’m gone. I understand the cards handed to me by society/state, and I will play those cards to protect myself.

I agree with you that there are many variations of MGTOW. I believe there’s one common train of thought though: women in today’s society are trouble.

For me, MGTOW means:

– I’m not going to change for any woman;

– I’m not going to become some puppet for any woman; and

– I refuse to succumb to society’s expectation that I marry and/or have children I won’t avoid women, but won’t get a long term living arrangement with them. As soon as I see red flags, I’m gone.

I understand the cards handed to me by society/state, and I will play those cards to protect myself. I agree with you that there are many variations of MGTOW. I believe there’s one common train of thought though: women in today’s society are trouble.

Part of my trying to have the categories I had, and I am sure it could benefit from a revamp, is I would ask you this: Is there any organization or individual at all, you would be a puppet for, or change for?  The GTOW of MGTOW I see will lead men to not do that for anyone.  It isn’t just women.  But women seem to be the starting point of it, but I think others do take it differently.  But, for some, it is just the woman side of things.

Tangent note (not related to your post): I am hoping I get feedback on the videos from people, rather than just a thumb’s down, as someone did, and not leaving a reply on the YouTube channel.

I am never sure what category I fit in, or if I fit in any. I quickly get lost when reading blogs that try to explain MGTOW levels or the Greek letter categories of males. If I find myself in a rut, I change my pattern. I never think to myself, “can’t do that, only level-3 alphas may do that.”

Anyhoo, keep the videos coming. The more the merrier.

For me, MGTOW means: – I’m not going to change for any woman; – I’m not going to become some puppet for any woman; and – I refuse to succumb to society’s expectation that I marry and/or have children I won’t avoid women, but won’t get a long term living arrangement with them. As soon as I see red flags, I’m gone. I understand the cards handed to me by society/state, and I will play those cards to protect myself. I agree with you that there are many variations of MGTOW. I believe there’s one common train of thought though: women in today’s society are trouble.

Same for me, man.

Part of my trying to have the categories I had, and I am sure it could benefit from a revamp, is I would ask you this: Is there any organization or individual at all, you would be a puppet for, or change for?

I get what your saying; however and unfortunately, the answer is yes. I work as a military officer, so they have me by the b~~~~. Not like a marriage, but I have to obey the chain of command or it’s a chargeable offense. There are times when I don’t like this, but I’m too vested now to turn back. I’m closer to retirement than I am to starting my career.

richardhutnik wrote:

Part of my trying to have the categories I had, and I am sure it could benefit from a revamp, is I would ask you this: Is there any organization or individual at all, you would be a puppet for, or change for?

I get what your saying; however and unfortunately, the answer is yes. I work as a military officer, so they have me by the b~~~~. Not like a marriage, but I have to obey the chain of command or it’s a chargeable offense. There are times when I don’t like this, but I’m too vested now to turn back. I’m closer to retirement than I am to starting my career.

I can see that happening.  What I find more nasty though, is organizations living on scraps that want to syphon off from you attention and so on, and give you nothing back.  At least with the military you get food, shelter, etc… and you do get a ton of crap.  I just think of feminism for example, and heforshe, that offers NOTHING for men at all, but is trying to use guilt to manipulate to push its agenda.  I have done enough work on political campaigns, stuff for causes, trying to start a non-profit to benefit this and that, and more, and I was left holding a bag with nothing in it.  And I am now more aware of the nonsense out there that doesn’t empower me in any way.