There are (as of this writing) 303 comments to 3284 views, which is a high proportion of comments.

A lot of MGTOW videos have extensive comments, but mostly in the nature of men agreeing with the content or saying something to the effect that learning about MGTOW was a revelation to them.

Men who are ready to take the red pill can agree about the interpretation of female behavior, but this comment section reveals some deep divisions that would be worthwhile to consider. I think that these divisions are potentially damaging to MGTOW, or, more generally, getting men to swallow the red pill. Social change can come about simply by a large enough number of men calling a spade a spade when it comes to women. Men don’t have to identify with or as MGTOW in order to choke down this much of the red pill.

Can men discuss MGTOW without getting trapped into religious and political differences? Some of the comments were quite ready to do so, but some were quite angry, and seem to put ideological differences over male solidarity.

Full disclosure: I am an atheist from a Protestant background.

My father once told me (before I could understand the value) “Never discuss politics or religion with anyone”. He phrased it like it was the 11th commandment. Like it’s the anti-NIKE: “Just don’t do it”. To this day, I’ve learned that’s million-dolllar advice, and when the subject comes up, It’s time to get my coat. These subjects are just too vast, vague, interpretive, based in personal belief (and held close to the heart) instead of science and facts, and it’s one of those things where 1 + 1 just can’t equal 2 – no matter how long anyone discusses it or examines it.

After all, the bible teaches us “thou shalt not kill”. Right?
…. but more people have been killed “in the name of God” than for any other reason.

That’s all anyone really needs to say about that.

“MGTOW” might be about “going your own way”…. but it’s also about men coming together for once – perhaps for the first time – and helping each other out for a change. Looking out for one another, instead of crawling over each other for pussy, or success or whatever else. But since you’ve put it out there, I will disclose I am also raised protestant who quietly adopted atheism ever since I was 8, saw a painting of Adam and Eve and noticed they had belly buttons.

Stop right there!

How on God’s green Earth could every artist who ever painted Adam & Eve overlook that ENORMOUS flaw in their own work???!!!

That’s when I had a pretty good feeling religion was essentially bulls~~~, and THAT’s why my father’s advice was some of the best I ever heard. So it was quietly accepted atheism for me, since my teens until just recently, when I arrived at a profound realization that “God” is not some man with a silver mane in the sky. He never was! God is not what I was taught in Sunday school. God is “the way things ought to be”. The non-negotiable laws of nature. The basics of right and wrong – however you want to phrase it – and knowing those things in your heart, and keeping them there. An unspoken and universal “absolute truth”. This will vary from person to person and culture to culture, but it transcends “relative truth” and even our own judicial system.

And now it sounds like Im preaching, so I should probably just shut the f~~~ up.
Have a pleasant evening.

The 11th commandment is sound, and usually one by which I abide.

More than merely abide by “Thou shalt not discuss religion,” one can employ it as a principle.

One of the (potential) problems of MGTOW is that of being viewed as a “movement” or, worse, as a “cult.” Here there is something to learn from Sam Harris. In one of his lectures he urged that atheists go “underground” and simply challenge bad ideas wherever they are to be found. I agree with this. There is no need to identify with any movement.

If men can simply challenge misandry and female entitlement wherever it is to be found, progress is possible.

Claiming that an objective outline of morality can be established without instruction from an omniscient being is truly a radical departure from the world of today. So radical in fact, is this school of thought, that I fear mankind will never embrace it and we will be damned to perpetually relive this cycle of religious violence.

A man who is convinced he is living in service of a higher power is the hardest man to sway.

I think that these divisions are potentially damaging to MGTOW, or, more generally, getting men to swallow the red pill. Social change can come about simply by a large enough number of men calling a spade a spade when it comes to women. Men don’t have to identify with or as MGTOW in order to choke down this much of the red pill.

There will probably different MGTOW. Atheists MGTOW and religious MGTOW. There will probably some people between the two. What some people to fail to realize is that religious requirements are there if a person wants to go to heaven and live a peaceful life (less suffering). Nobody that I know is forced to stay in religions. Of course some of our parents decided to make us go but what’s the point if your heart isn’t into it.

Just because a person goes to church and read the bible doesn’t mean they are a Christian. Only when they follow the teachings they will be considered Christians. I have family members go to church pretty much every Sunday. They read the bible and even pray daily but when it comes to the requirements forget it. They start a lot of problems for others due to jealousy and hate so what’s the point. These people just don’t realize this, they would better off being atheists than wasting their precious time.

It’s none of my business what someone else does in their private life. Unless they start talking about it or asking for advice it’s none of my business. If a person wants to sleep around it’s not my place to judge. But there are even risks sleeping around with multiple people.

Also MGTOW aren’t materialistic, in the most part. Men generally happy with simple things. Btw the main reason I left AFVM wasn’t that everyone agreed abortion is ok because men would suffer pay child support, I didn’t want to be associated with that and strong oppose abortion. I had to agree with that point which was the last straw for me. With MGTOW I haven’t seen anything like that yet. Everyone is doing their own thing, really we are not an organized group more like sharing insights and information among each other.

In the end the common goal with MGTOW at least I hope is to have a happy life. I personally can’t see being happy sleeping with one woman to the next. I have had a sexual relationship that I didn’t like it at all and it was the only one I had in my entire life. It was purely a sexual relationship and it stayed that way because she was embarrassed to seen with me in public because she was much older at the time.

I am not Catholic, but I am part of a denomination which holds that sex outside of marriage between a man and a woman is forbidden. Placed in simplistic terms, this is because God said so, but I believe there exists “reason” behind the commandment if one considers that the issue is about family stability. Children do not need to pay for my bad choices. I have chosen MGHOW because I have come to the conclusion that for me there exists no benefit to being married. However, in order for me not to violate what I perceive and accept as a reasonable commandment, I must also accept celibacy. It has been difficult, but as time passes and I become more involved with other things, I find that it is doable. There is no commandment I am aware of that says I “must” get married. It may mean that I miss out on some blessings as a consequence of not being part of a family and sometimes I struggle with that, but then I take my daily dose of red pill and come to my senses.

Even if you’re not Catholic you can tell people you have a vocation and are committing your life to God, and mostly they will understand.

I wish I could just tell a white lie like this and escape the confrontation. I’ve yet to calm the beast in me that rages at a person’s stupidity. I don’t generally judge people for the way they live their life, and I’m entirely reasonable when it comes to simple ignorance, but outright stupidity in the face of logic awakens an insatiable demon. As the foul creature emerges I am left with but two options; slay the beast and recoil to a pitiful state of hyper-intelligence induced depression, or take residence upon it’s back and storm the barricade of stupidity.

One day I will find the metaphorical pill to slay the beast asunder. Until then……Mr. Hyde I presume?

I wish I could just tell a white lie like this and escape the confrontation. I’ve yet to calm the beast in me that rages at a person’s stupidity. I don’t generally judge people for the way they live their life, and I’m entirely reasonable when it comes to simple ignorance, but outright stupidity in the face of logic awakens an insatiable demon. As the foul creature emerges I am left with but two options; slay the beast and recoil to a pitiful state of hyper-intelligence induced depression, or take residence upon it’s back and storm the barricade of stupidity.

You don’t need to pretend to be religious just show the book “Men on Strike”. Any person with half a brain will understand why men don’t want to get married.