I really like the way you present your lifestyle choices on the internet and how you finally say the unspeakable. What I don’t understand however is, how is it impossible to have a relationship and go your own way? Hit me if I’m wrong, but it seems to me that these two lifestyle choices don’t go together. Has anyone of you a girlfriend on regular basis? I understand that the goal is, to prevent woman from ruling about the life of a man. But is it impossible to find a girl, that does support that?

For me, a good girlfriend would be independent. Someone you can rely on to, but also someone that does not need you in any way. Basicly the definition of independent. I refuse to belive, that there are no girls out there that share this mindset. But what I would like to question is, wether one of you has ever found a girlfriend that admited this kind of lifestyle.

In my future, I would like to lead a life rather different from the one my father is living righ now. He is bringing home the bacon, but still his abilities are highly limited on what he can do for his own good. He always wanted to have an old car, and he could surely afford one. My mother simply  doesn’t allow it. I was slapped when I was young for everything I did wrong. My sister was never even shouted at. And my mother isn’t a feminist. That is the most important aspect. I always wondered, why my dad, which is the most inspiring person I know would still stay with someone like my mother. His sister has warned him about her, and she was right. My Grandma even said that she was wierd and somewhat controlling all the time and that she blew of her boyfriend all of a sudden. I now do understand, why that happened. These men where making decisions beyond her controll. I always thought, my father would stay with my mother because he loves her. By now I know, that he only loved her and now simply has no other choice then living the way he does.

I would like to know your oppinons towards this topic. If someone got advice for me, let me know. I do not want to end up like my father. I want to find a girl like I described above. Do you guys think these kinds of girls exist? Let me know down below.

Greetings,
Kalesaji

Before hearing the call of MGTOW I had the same mentality of what a good girlfriend would be. However, I never did find a female that behaved like this. It’s quite a quandary because I suspect such women probably avoid relationships altogether because they have no need to have one. It’s like the contradiction with the type of customer credit card companies want. Obviously creditors don’t want any of their customers to be delinquent on payments, but they also won’t make as much money if all of their customers always paid the outstanding balance in full each month.

Even if you could find such a woman, how would you convince her to get into a relationship with you?

I do also identify with the yearning for a compatible female companion (to a degree). There is no reason why you cannot date and prescribe to the MGTOW philosophy at the same time. But now that you have seen examples of how women really behave and you have a better understanding of how women think, the harsh reality of dating western women will not be easy to ignore. Contrary to popular MGTOW myth, there are women out there who wish for a life just as the one you described above. There are also albino ravens, but good luck seeing one during your lifetime.

What I don’t understand however is, how is it impossible to have a relationship and go your own way?

Been there, got burned; tried again, got burned again; and again, etc — eventually learned my lesson and took up less expensive hobbies.

For me, a good girlfriend would be independent. Someone you can rely on to, but also someone that does not need you in any way. Basicly the definition of independent. I refuse to belive, that there are no girls out there that share this mindset. But what I would like to question is, wether one of you has ever found a girlfriend that admited this kind of lifestyle.

That’s a fantasy. Who would ever not want to be needed? I never understand the type of women who go on a DATING website and say “i don’t need a man” right in their dating profile. That’s absurd and the wrong place to say that. She should keep that thought to herself. Too many women project this FARCE as if being totally independent is the image they want to portray when seeking a man. These women are completely full of s~~~.

Who wants to be TOLD they are not needed by someone they never met?
OK fine f~~~ you, I don’t need you either.

I don’t know why women are so hell bent on trying to PROVE something like that – to people they have never even met!

Encouraging independence in women is a good thing in a relationship. Always let her know she can LEAVE. There’s the door if she doesn’t like something. But giving her the freedom to leave also says something about the staying power of the relationship. When you know she can LEAVE (and she remains anyway) every day you spend with her is a sign that she wants to be there.It doesn’t even have to be talked about. She is not there out of some sense of obligation or resent…. or because she signed a contract. She is there because she wants to be, and she can leave when she wants to as well. That’s encouraging independence in women.

You want to know that she is there because she wants to be.
It’s a nice feeling to know she can leave any time but she chooses to stay and keep coming back.
In fact, it’s the ultimate compliment.

Now reverse the sexes and watch what happens. You’re walking down the street with her and you notice other women. Why doesn’t a woman take this as a compliment when you continue to go home with her? She should be THRILLED you look at other women but keep coming back to her. But what does a woman do? She freaks out, ruins a perfectly fine day, and attacks you for LOOKING at other chicks. As if she should be the ONLY woman on the f~~~ing planet. That’s not independence, that’s a nightmare.

An “independent” woman who knows herself would be perfectly OK with you looking at other women. She would be OK with you talking to them, calling them, and even going out with them! But women who say they are “independent” are some of the most needy, controlling broads around. Who just texted you? Why did you retweet her? Why did you “like” her picture? Do you think she is prettier than me? Then you answer her and all hell breaks loose. I have never known a woman who is truly “independent”. Every single one of them behave like the ultimate control freaks, like you are “cheating” when you LOOK at another chick.

Don’t tell me that LIE that you “don’t need a man” when you are so f~~~ing controlling and insecure that you won’t permit him to leave the house without getting permission from you. Who are they trying to kid?

If you don’t need a man…. why do you need me to tell you you’re beautiful?
If you don’t need a man…. why do you expect met tell you your ass doesn’t look fat in those pants?
If you don’t need a man…. why do you give me grief when I don’t text you back within 5 minutes?
If you don’t need a man…. why do you expect to be paid to f~~~ off?

Women need to be honest with themselves before they start pretending.
I got sick and tired of this “i don’t need a man” / “I’m independent” horses~~~ from women.

The “independent” female is the FIRST one to hold her hand out for alimony.
http://www.mgtow.com/video/mra-marc-rudov-schools-annoying-feminazi/

She’s not fooling anyone either.

Women are such needy creatures when you tell her to GO AWAY because you don’t want her around, she will have a problem with it and refuse to leave. It’s remarkable. Try it! The same bitch who said “I don’t need a man” will have a BIG problem when you say “I don’t need you. Please leave. Maybe I’ll call you tomorrow.”

I have never met a woman who was OK with me saying “I don’t need you.”
But they say “I don’t need a man” as if this should be some positive asset and attractive quality.

If you ever meet a truly “independent” female, tell me how you did it.

“I give you my excess time, attention and energy and you give me yours and we can both have something that we otherwise could not.” is the basic premise of the business, friendship and romantic partnership. Even if you *could* find a female who recognized her value and was willing and able to trade it to you fairly for your own, she would not be able to do so for long.

Females are optimizers (hypergamy) and can not be satisfied with a fair trade… they have to either find a more advantageous deal from someone else or figure out some way to manipulate you into giving up more than you are receiving (typically called “compromise” and “commitment” which they demand from you but never offer in return).

If you’ve ever studied Game Theory, you’ll recognize my strategy in life… to initiate interactions, always play fair and bail at the first sign that I’m being cheated. I believe this to be an optimal strategy for fair and successful interaction with other people. I may not always win, but I never lose more than one round with any given player and I’m always ready to move on to a new interaction.

Females, as I said above, do not think this way… and you simply can’t trade fairly with someone whose strategy is to loss lead, lull you into a sense of security and then take advantage of you while trying to convince you that it’s your fault… particularly when she’s got the entire weight of the world’s social pressure backing her up.

I believe that females are simply incapable of fairly trading value for value.

“I give you my excess time, attention and energy and you give me yours and we can both have something that we otherwise could not.” is the basic premise of the business, friendship and romantic partnership. Even if you *could* find a female who recognized her value and was willing and able to trade it to you fairly for your own, she would not be able to do so for long.

Females are optimizers (hypergamy) and can not be satisfied with a fair trade… they have to either find a more advantageous deal from someone else or figure out some way to manipulate you into giving up more than you are receiving (typically called “compromise” and “commitment” which they demand from you but never offer in return).

For this reason, this is why it is so difficult to have a Girlfriend or long term Relationship with modern, westernized/Post-3rd World Women.

Also, @Key Master is on point AGAIN as always:

Don’t tell me that LIE that you “don’t need a man” when you are so f~~~ing controlling and insecure that you won’t permit him to leave the house without getting permission from you…If you don’t need a man…. why do you need me to tell you you’re beautiful?

Women always try to say that they are Independent.

Financially?  Nowdays…Sorta No.  The Corporate and Executive types making the Big Bucks want to stash their doe and live off yours.

Emotionally?  Fruck No!!!

Dependent as Hell!  They are in constant need of re-validation and reassurance from Men in their lives.  Rather than working on their emotional intelligence (i.e. learning to be emotional more secured within themselves), they go batshiet crazy worrying about how they measure up to other women and remain Emotionally Ridiculous.

Ridiculous as F~~~.