Personally, I quite like children, but it looks unlikely that I’ll ever have any now, mainly because of the difficulty/risk of getting into the kind of relationship which is required to father them and bring them up properly.  I do feel regret about that quite a lot.

Thoughts?

Stop believing media BS.

Do I regret having no kids? Kind of. But I wonder how much of this is more of the idealistic illusion I bought into my entire life. I went my own way some time ago, but my recent study on MGTOW made me reflect a lot on why things aren’t working as they did in generations past.

I began to wonder what kids really are. I read a post that really shocked me a year or two ago, where a guy said children were essentially empty vessels which are filled by society. Kids are only half you and half your mother. I think of myself being nothing like even 50% of my mother or father, so aside from genetic baseline, and carrying a family name, being someone else’s kid doesn’t mean much to me in regards to blood. Historically children descended from their parents and were raised by them, and instilled with their values (good and bad), virtues, and culture. These days parents hardly see their children much and are filled with whatever the school teaches, what they see in media (movies and TV) and what they pick up from other kids. I’ve gotten tot he point where I hate our society so much, I’d be heartbroken to see my kid pick all that garbage up and become a product of it. As an American, I’ve realized we really have no culture to pass on aside from whatever Hallmark can profit from.

I hope in the future as MGTOW catches on, men wont wait for “the right one” to have kids. They’ll become fathers and raise them on their own terms. I’m curious to see how that will pan out over time, but I’ll be dead by then. I think there will be a difference in quality between children who are raised mired in the norms of society, and those raised by men who want to do things as they see correct.

I made a decision a long time ago not to fall down and sacrifice my time, money, effort and emotional energy on the alter of marriage/fatherhood. Do I regret not having children? Sure I do. But if I had made all those sacrifices, I would still be without children. I would also be without the time, money and other sacrifices I made to have children. Reality is that we can’t have children wether we make the sacrifices to have them or not.

The only options I see for having ‘children of your own’ are to adopt one from a uterus that died or gave it away, or to buy an egg and contract in writing with a uterus to carry and deliver it for you…assuming you can find a court who will actually hold the uterus accountable for the contract that she signed. If the court does not uphold the contract for surrogacy any more reliably than the courts uphold prenuptial contracts (which the courts throw out all the time), then you will still not have a child of your own, but you will most certainly be paying for it.

Personally, I see adoption of some war orphan somewhere as the much more likely scenario for me. It seems to be the only reliable way to have ‘children of my own’ that can’t be taken from me.

That said, is there not some biological imperative to father children? Has our culture disconnected sex from childbirth so much? In more ‘primitive’ societies, it’s not how many women you’ve shagged that gives you status so much as how many children you’ve fathered.

But as I grew older I no longer even bothered to engage in this conversation any longer because, even though I had no name for myself as MGTOW-ers do today, I knew I had lost the capacity to feel shame from anyone else who proferred their personal opinion on how I choose to embark on the rest of my journey through life. The best I could come up with was ‘iconoclastic independent’. I had finally arrived at the “I don’t give a dam what you or anyone else thinks about me” stage, right around the time I finally had saved up enough “FU” money. I also had finally had enough time to examine the motives of those questioning my choice of the way I chose to live my life – wtf did it matter to them, anyway? For some, they were still in the blue pill state, unquestioning what society and females seemed to demand of them to be ‘normal’, for others they were deeply envious and resentful that I was not unhappy like they were, yoked in a marriage or relationship they were too scared to leave “because of the children”. In other words, I was a threat to their worldview – how dare I be happy when they weren’t? Needless to say I have slowly parted ways with every couple I knew, usually at the hands of the female even if it was the yoked man who didn’t return my calls.

When I was 12 I knew how much time and energy children would cost and even though I had a happy childhood I saw the choices my parents had to make in their lifestyles to support us. I simply did not want to do that – selfish? Certainly, but not in the way people commonly define that term – I call it ‘rational self-interest’. I like Ayn Rand’s quotes below from “The Virtue of Selfishness”:

“Men who reject the responsibility of thought and reason can only exist as parasites on the thinking of others.”

“To love is to value. Only a rationally selfish man, a man of self esteem, is capable of love – because he is the only man capable of holding firm, consistent, uncompromising, unbetrayed value. The man who does not value himself, cannot value anything or anyone.”

“A Conformist is a man who declares, “It’s true because others believe it” – but an Individualist is NOT a man who declares, “It’s true because I believe it.” An Individual declares, “I believe it because I see in reason that it is true.”

But please note that I could not care less whether someone wants children or not – that’s entirely their decision – I simply have stated my reasons for not wanting them. Even if I now wanted children the only way I would do that is by adoption without a female’s involvement through the marriage contract – there are worse things possible than having a loving, committed father raising a child by himself, like some deranged female committing emotional terrorism on the kid during it’s upbringing.

p.s. I forget which poster here has mentioned the concept of ‘equal trade’, that is, to offer fair trades where neither party is abused in the process, but that is one of the tenets of Ayn Rands’ Objectivism philosophy, and it is a tenet that I live by but sadly have found that most females have no conception of what that actually means.

That said, is there not some biological imperative to father children?

No, the only biological imperative is to inseminate as much females as possible. And that was already so in the early stone age, when children got raised by tribes, and no-one had any idea where they came from, neither who their father was.

Has our culture disconnected sex from childbirth so much?

First humans had to find out how events which are nine months apart are caused by each other. This is not that obvious.

The best part about this is there will never be any woman who can run to the courts to have your child ripped away from you, and for you to pay money to that bitch for a child you don’t even get to see and enjoy. You have sole custody over the child.