How it would work?: Before making the final move to arrange a first date, try video-chatting with the prospect date for 10-20 minutes. It doesn’t have to be Skype. Doing this will allow you to see two things, 1)That the girl in the picture looks the same in real life, and 2) How well she can make on-the-spot conversation vs. text chat.

Please respond with your thoughts, I’d like to hear them.

Plainly…. NO. Don’t engage with women online through any means. Get her OUT and in the real world with you right away. “I’m going out for a drink at ____________, meet me there at 9PM.” …. or…. “what time are you having dinner?”

She will answer you: “Oh around 7 PM why?”
(thinking you’re about to ask her out for dinner)

YOU: “Great! You should be finished eating by 9:00…
let’s meet at ____________ for a drink thing when you’re done.”

This will save you a fortune and you don’t have to sit with her through a meal. It also eliminates dinner whores, and if you don’t like the chick, you can bolt any time you like. If she’s a fatty, you can walk. And should.

Some websites provide a minimal chat feature (typing only) which women will prefer to video. Remember it’s called “online dating” to sucker women into believing they are “dating” without ACTUALLY “dating”. In their perverse little heads, they think they are representing themselves accurately and “romantically” interacting with some phantom on the other end. It gives them their fix for fantasy.

But as men, we know it’s not “online dating” ….. it’s just online EMAILING. That’s it.

“Dating” happens in the real world, where there is hair to smell, and skin to touch, and boobs to look at. But women like the DELAY “online dating” affords them. They can’t “fake it” in a chat. They take their time, type, re-type and edit their responses – which is not something they can pull off in the real world. She may think she is being funny and clever in a typed message, but she’s gonna be busted in a video chat and can pull that s~~~ off in the real world. Most women resort to online dating because they get far more attention that way…. while in reality guys walk right past them. Why would she want to reduce her prospects from 600 to 6 by live chatting?

Also, keeping you at arms length (and invisible) allows her to engage and interact without any EFFORT. She doesn’t need to do her hair, or fluff up her personality, or work to be fun, funny, or clever and attractive. She can be “online dating” while clipping her toenails or taking a s~~~. Women think thesis a “benefit”.

“Online dating” is for one reason and one reason only. To make a connection you may not otherwise make and to GET HER OUT AND IN THE REAL WORLD WITH YOU as quickly as possible. If she’s not interested in that …. NEXT that bitch. She just wants to keep you at arms length for as long as possible and delay the inevitable. When you tell her, Im not here to type / Skype / chat online, I’m here to get together with REAL PEOPLE in REAL LIFE. You would be surprised how many women chicken out of that idea.

They pretend they are “scared” or “unsure” and “how do I know you’re not a creep?”. F~~~ that . “How do you know I AM????” is the only response. If she is genuinely looking to meet a man to care about (and who will care about her) for any kind of partnership, she will be enthusiastic about meeting in person and not make you jump through hoops to “prove you’re not a serial killer”. That’s insane, and those women must be ignored. The kind who wants to dally and delay and “see how things go” or “get to know you through email first” is a delusional T~~~ psycho.

They are SIMPLY not clever enough to “get to know you” through an online chat. It’s IMPOSSIBLE. Only 7% of communication is words. The other 93% is tone of voice and body language. You will never get a better idea than in person. Even through an online chat… and I am willing to bet women will pull back A LOT if you insist on Skype.

They can’t pull back when you insist on meeting in person. If she hesitates, you tell her plainly: “honey, you don’t get to *choose* who you meet and interact with or pass on the street in real life. She doesn’t push that person away and say “SKYPE ME FIRST SO I CAN DECIDE TO INTERACT WITH YOU!!!.” That would be insane. She is FORCED to interact in person. And if she can’t, then she is a social misfit.

Does she ask the guy who says “Hi” at the market “how do I know you’re not a serial killer? Then don’t ask me! You nutcase. “. This happened to me online years ago and I just told her right off, and made her feel like an invalid. Another one pretended she was “afraid” to meet in person until she asked me all kinds of questions. Then she said “are you looking for a serious relationship?”. Gimme a break. I will NEVER look for a “serious relationship” with someone I haven’t even met, and until you and I have had A LOT of fun together, there will be no “serious relationship” at all. Besides, what idiot wants a serious relationship? The only kind of relationship worth having is a FUN relationship – or none at all.

Say that to a woman directly and watch how they freak out.

Too many women want to sucker you into interacting with them and wasting time online. Don’t do it. Refuse. Starve the system. Don’t give theme their fix. If she’s not enthusiastic about grabbing her purse and meeting you for real, next that bitch, because she is “online dating” for other reasons.

Limit to a few days but no more than week to exchange emails with women. If you can’t meet them within a week they are just wasting your time.

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Plainly…. NO. Don’t engage with women online through any means. Get her OUT and in the real world with you right away. “I’m going out for a drink at ____________, meet me there at 9PM.” …. or…. “what time are you having dinner?”

She will answer you: “Oh around 7 PM why?”
(thinking you’re about to ask her out for dinner)

YOU: “Great! You should be finished eating by 9:00…
let’s meet at ____________ for a drink thing when you’re done.”

This will save you a fortune and you don’t have to sit with her through a meal. It also eliminates dinner whores, and if you don’t like the chick, you can bolt any time you like. If she’s a fatty, you can walk. And should.

This! She can’t hide whatever deception she’s used so far to make her look thin. She can still hide on Skype. I pulled up to date, looked and kept on driving.

Agreed about dinner. Saves tons of cash and listening to her prattle on about whatever stupid s~~~ she’s likes. They know what they’re going to do withing 45-60 seconds of meeting you. So only get them one drink. Coffee is optimal.

My two cents.

I pulled up to a date, looked and kept on driving.

AWESOME. I’m much too polite for that. I would take her for a hike. Up hill. Both ways.

Get her OUT and in the real world with you right away. “I’m going out for a drink at ____________, meet me there at 9PM.”

Can I add to this that you arrive at the bar a few minutes early, pick your seat and buy yourself a drink with cash. Do not open a tab that she can place orders against when she gets there and if you suspect the bartender may allow her to assume you are paying, casually mention to him/her that you are meeting a potential client and that your business does not allow you to purchase goods or services for them so you’ll be paying cash for your own drinks and anything they might happen to order is on them.

If they ask what kind of business, you say “My business.”

I find that bartenders and servers are terrible about assuming that I’m picking up the tab… they’ll let women order on my bill and they’ll bring the check to me… they’ll even bring the card and receipt back to me when they SEE HER put HER OWN CARD down. Don’t let anyone guilt you into paying, not the woman and especially not the staff. If you must, have a regular meeting spot and make sure the bartender is on your side, not hers.

PUAs say that the most effective way to get women is to not chase them… to not let them believe they have the supply and you the demand, but to realize that it is, in fact, the other way around. MGTOW theory says that if you’re doing your own thing for your own reasons, you’re going to be naturally more attractive to women and then have the ability to decide whether or not you want them in your life based on what value they are bringing to it.

Trying to meet women online seems to fly in the face of both of these. For a PUA to say he isn’t chasing women then submit himself for review on Tinder or have to answer dozens of stupid questions to gain the approval of a woman on Match or OkCupid just flies in the face of the whole supply/demand equation. Same for MGTOW. If the “your way” that you are going is the way of subjecting yourself to inspection, detection, judgement and possible ridicule online by “hot” women, most of whom are gold diggers, prostitutes or bots, then you’re probably needing some time to really think about what it is you’re wanting out of your life.

I had accounts on OkCupid, Plenty of Whales and Tinder for a while but recently deleted them all as it came down to this: none of those fraudulent clowns has the right to judge me, only I do… and I’m certainly not going to, as KeyMaster so aptly put it, pay monthly for the chance to pay for sex… when I know for a fact that the whole “online dating” system is just a scam in which, worst case AND best case, I am the mark.

If, in the course of my regular life during which I am doing what I want for my own pleasure and benefit, I happen to come across a woman who I believe can fairly trade value with me, I will choose to do so. But to expend my time, energy and money to chase after and believe I will find that kind of woman on a hook up app or a “long term relationship” promoting website is just not what I’m about.