Anyhow, this is my take on the controversy, and my getting into another way, about moving forward:

Does it matter if it is gynocentrism, or women evil, or nurture or nature, or whatever and to focus on this, and act like MRA, etc… or can MGTOW just move on, be aware, and put baggage behind to move ahead?  I did the video, and post it here, knowing I may draw fire, but my idea here is to ask for alternatives.  I don’t even get into the nature of women themselves in this video.

Society does not, or rather should not, allow itself to be run by children. There is no “equality” with children. Children don’t have quotas that they are given to run the world, and displace adults.

Society is stupid for thinking women are actually competent and capable or worth listening to. If society is functioning correctly, women are not elevated to leadership or authority roles, they are properly submissive and kept in the home. Evil doesn’t really apply.

1) serves as a provider / protector for the spawn.

2) Shovels the s~~~ and does the work to keep them comfortable and fed.

3) Offers companionship.

In return they give the man exclusive access to their pussy and insure that any spawn are the mans.  Or so we like to think.

This is the bottom line.  This was the original contract between man and woman.

Nature of women has not changed.

Do you think children are inherently evil? That will answer the question, as women are nothing other than children in adult bodies. Society does not, or rather should not, allow itself to be run by children. There is no “equality” with children. Children don’t have quotas that they are given to run the world, and displace adults. Society is stupid for thinking women are actually competent and capable or worth listening to. If society is functioning correctly, women are not elevated to leadership or authority roles, they are properly submissive and kept in the home. Evil doesn’t really apply.

Why does a man going MGTOW care where a proper woman’s place is?  Will you stop being MGTOW if suddenly women were denied leadership positions, were properly submissive, and kept at home?  So are you MGTOW because society isn’t functioning as you see it should?

The tradcon and Neo-Masculinity argument (and heck MGTOW manifesto from 2001) argue for this.  It also means that men would need to be the head of the household and end up having women at home, breeding with the women who are submissive, and go that way.  It would mean, from a practical level, that a man could support a family on one income.  The moment women start leaving the home to work, to bring in money, the idea of the man as the breadwinner and he who has the gold, makes the rules.

How exactly would you put the genie in the bottle, and how would you going MGTOW make it happen?

“schisms?………………….we don’t need no stinking schisms.”

No, none aren’t needed but apparently it looks like it is happening over this issue.

Why does a man going MGTOW care where a proper woman’s place is? Will you stop being MGTOW if suddenly women were denied leadership positions, were properly submissive, and kept at home? So are you MGTOW because society isn’t functioning as you see it should?

The tradcon and Neo-Masculinity argument (and heck MGTOW manifesto from 2001) argue for this. It also means that men would need to be the head of the household and end up having women at home, breeding with the women who are submissive, and go that way. It would mean, from a practical level, that a man could support a family on one income. The moment women start leaving the home to work, to bring in money, the idea of the man as the breadwinner and he who has the gold, makes the rules.

How exactly would you put the genie in the bottle, and how would you going MGTOW make it happen?

I figure that women are entitled, privileged flakes and dingbats. It has always been that way and always will be that way. There’s nothing to be done about it, so there’s no reason to worry about whether it’s nature or nurture, and there’s no reason to try to come up for remedies for it.

Even if you go back 100 years, women were still entitled, privileged flakes and dingbats. If you married a woman and wanted to do something about it, you beat them and it kind of ruined them–a beaten dog is not a loving dog. A beaten wife just became a surly servant. Today if you want to do something about it, you divorce them and say goodbye to them. But in either case, there was never a time when they were submissive and loving.

So love and marriage is just a game to be played, if you’re up to it.

It’s like the working world. You jump in and maybe succeed. But over time it chews you up. By middle age, you’re fat from sedentary activities, have a bad heart, and all that. But it can be fun and a challenge while it lasts. With the working world, it’s just a question of getting lots of money and then hopefully getting out before you get too sick and old.

Same with marriage and love. It’s fun and a challenge. But it chews you up. Some men stay with it till they die, and it probably shortens their life. The smart ones get out early: They have some good memories of the chase and the challenges, and hopefully still have some health and money left at the end.

So here is how it goes: You have to do something with your life, so you “opt in” and accept challenges in the workplace and in love and get some small victories. But it wears you down and chews you up, and hopefully you get out before the challenges kill you. In your old age you “opt out” and put your feet up in retirement. Either the wife accepts the fact that you “opt out” and are doing your own thing, or you dump her. They say “gray divorces” (divorce in retirement) have been increasing greatly.

But that’s the bottom line. Work and women are the same. Nothing really changes, and there’s nothing to be done about it. You just have one choice: Opt in, or opt out. Opt in for a while and enjoy the challenge and the chase and the bragging rights. But then if you’re smart, you opt out before it chews you up or kills you outright.

phoenix wrote:

Do you think children are inherently evil? That will answer the question, as women are nothing other than children in adult bodies. Society does not, or rather should not, allow itself to be run by children. There is no “equality” with children. Children don’t have quotas that they are given to run the world, and displace adults. Society is stupid for thinking women are actually competent and capable or worth listening to. If society is functioning correctly, women are not elevated to leadership or authority roles, they are properly submissive and kept in the home. Evil doesn’t really apply.

Why does a man going MGTOW care where a proper woman’s place is? Will you stop being MGTOW if suddenly women were denied leadership positions, were properly submissive, and kept at home? So are you MGTOW because society isn’t functioning as you see it should? 

Why ask the question and state your opinion if you don’t want to read the answer?

Answer your own question, since it applies to you.

What matters is ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT.

Who cares if it’s nature or nurture or whatever? The end product men have to deal with is the same.