What part of Going Your Own Way includes continuing to interact with women to the point of sex? Your way doesn’t mean their way which we know from Stardusk, is to sell access to their vagina for resources/favors. MGTOW, if it means anything, it means celibacy at the bare minimum. Why aren’t we spelling this out? Celibacy isn’t even the hard part. The hard part is refusing to be favor boys for women and to actively cease being attentive to them. But why should we be celibate? What harm is casual sex for me or for Men in general?

First, it’s not casual or free. You’re paying for it every time in some form. Sometimes you pay dearly for it. All for a 10 second splash of euphoria. It may seem like it walked up to you–no strings attached. This is an illusion and it’s denial. We know better. It’s never a golden ticket, it’s always a detrimental risk/benefit transaction.

So how are one man’s poor decisions affecting Men at large? They add up gentlemen. Women can get sex easily because they permit entrance. When you allow them to use you, they rack up sexual partner numbers in the dozens. This is no fib. Today’s average 25-30 American woman has had sex with no less than 30-40 guys.  I’ve personally met many who claimed figures over 100 before they were 28 years old. Granted this is a generalization; some women are virgins and others are prude etc… But the logic is sound. Women control the occurrence of sex so obviously they accumulate more partners. They can also be picky about their choices since the SMP for men and women is grossly unequal. What this means is that women have sex with at least 3x’s as many partners as men and that 100% of women having sex, are doing so with 50% of men. Basically, a slutstorm of epic proportion being fueled by MALE failure to say no! PUA’s are fueling this problem and are the feminist’s henchmen. My final point here is that strong data proves that the more men a woman has, the more useless and untrustworthy she becomes. They make the worst mates and have the highest divorce rate, fact! So quit feeding the cycle that keep’s men’s image locked on “easy to lay” “will do anything for sex.” You sell our worth.

The men who fight their biological impulses are called MGTOW. We restrain and preserve ourselves by NOT going the way of sex. We do not play that game. We are celibate. We don’t date. We don’t have relations~~~s. We know that any sexual contact with women is pussy begging (apart from cash for sex prostitution).

MGTOW whine endlessly about gynocentrism, misandry and unjust laws. But what is your solution?! You think making men aware of the danger of marriage is going to help? Why not endorse the one thing that actually can make a difference. (celibacy)  And in doing so, make it crystal clear who we are, what we’re doing and why we’re doing it.

You want SMP to go up for men? Then create scarcity of sex with men! You want misandric memes to die out, then stop selling male dignity for casual sex while training the c~~~ carousal! You want MGTOW to have a backbone? Then define it as something more than sovereignty rhetoric! 

I’m not trying to punish women, or change social dynamics. I am not part of any movement, such is contradictory to what I feel going my way is.

I still date, and enjoy the physical pleasures of women.

“Watch the world burn” not participating in its destruction or salvation; this is what I’ve gathered to be the common MGTOW mentality.

I’ve said it before, a movement

Stopped reading right there. MGTOW is not a movement. MGTOW has never been a movement. It’s a phenomenon. It’s a common sense reaction by men to a society set up to consume them and spit them out. We here on these forums are not “the MGTOW”. We’re not promoting any movement. We’re merely documenting the MGTOW phenomenon. There are far, far more MGTOW out there who have never heard of this forum or even the term MGTOW, but for all that they are still MGTOW.

MGTOW is inherently reactive. Try to make it into a pro-active movement and you’ll only f~~~ it up if you succeed.

MGTOW is inherently reactive. Try to make it into a pro-active movement and you’ll only f~~~ it up if you succeed.

Nailed it.

I’m not pushing for anything, I just want these toxic c~~~s out of my life.

You both are still in your pink cloud stage of mgtow infatuation. But after that amusement wears off and you grasp the deep sociological and biologically deterministic implications (mainly Stardusk Compilation https://youtu.be/Jo6zWu8nsW8 and Thinking Ape TV) you will see, if you have the philosophical capacity for it, that true MGTOW status is no where near compatible with continued pussy begging.

You can call yourself MGTOW and still date, whatever. Its just denial. Its still pussy begging servitude. Its still a chained prisoner deluded by a mirage. You want to taste true male sovereignty? Cease pussy begging and being preoccupied with sex. Its meaningless and serves women in total. Not only that but it worsens our plight as men subjectively and objectively. These aren’t debatable, they’re the facts.

Keep f~~~ing around and you’ll end up with the same stories as people like Messenger Rising.

Continuing to have sex, perpetuates our negative plight and the reasons why MGTOW even came into existence. When you give out your sex you encourage sluts by saying “I’m free, just take it; men are easy and our SMP is worthless.” You not only paint misandric memes as accurate and perpetuate them, but you end up putting more notches on the slut belts which diminishes the value of women (one of the reasons why we’re upset, all women are whores and encouraged to be; you’re doing the Feminists job for them).

This is the f~~~ing problem. So called mgtow have found something cool but none of you understand the sociological game at play here where we’re in a double stale mate. Traditionalism and chivalry is male disposability. Freelove, is male dispoability. The only thing that helps men, right now, is celibacy through truly Going Our Own Way.

Don’t confuse liberty with Going Your Own Way. You say, “I do what I want so I’m MGTOW and I can have sex.” Go ahead if you want to be a hypocrite and encourage the thing that makes you disposable in the first place. There’s a difference between non-compliance and behavior that worsens our plight.

MGTOW isn’t anything because its never had a formal definition beyond male sovereignty

MGTOW is an acronym – Men Going Their Own Way. It is not a word that needs definition. And the words within the acronym are self explanatory. If you choose to be celibate, then that’s your way. If another guy chooses a different path, then that’s his way. In both cases, you’re both going your own way. Neither guy is wrong.

I can see this thread getting toxic, so I’m done with this post. If I were interested in someone telling me what I should do, I’d get married.

You either face the facts and behave accordingly to them or you ignorantly make matters worse. I’m trying to show you guys how you can help, not only yourselves, but every other man. Blow the facts off, be ignorant, whatever. MGTOW is meaningless without a core philosophy. It has one and it has potential in an Inactive solution called Celibacy. What are you so scared of? Maybe you like that fact that MGTOW remains vague and open to intruders who actually make matters worse for men.

MGTOW, as it stands is a warped and meaningless clusterf~~~, NOT centered in accurate discernment of a problem and appropriate solutions to alleviate that problem. Its time to stop saying “f~~~ it” and actually get pragmatic.

that’s the problem, MGTOW isn’t anything because its never had a formal definition beyond male sovereignty.

It’s not a problem. The rest of the world is falling over themselves to define you and your scrambling to be confined in to a rigid and constraining definition? The definition on the homepage was written like that TO FREE YOU FROM THAT S~~~. And you want to tighten it up?

Beware the Lamiae wrote:

I’ve said it before, a movement….

Stopping reading there too. It isn’t a movement and we can PROVE it…. because you and I don’t need to agree on a f~~~ing thing in order for it to succeed. Don’t just dismiss that sentence. Think about it. A “movements” success depends on everyone getting together or it FAILS. But you can f~~~ off in that direction, and I can f~~~ off in this direction , and every definition of what it means beyond the homepage is ENTIRELY WRITTEN BY YOU.

Beware the Lamiae wrote:

MGTOW, if it means anything, it means celibacy at the bare minimum.

Man don’t you know anything about women? Women are WAY too horny for that.

First, it’s not casual or free. You’re paying for it every time in some form.

I’m living proof that’s false because I was once sitting in a hotel room by myself (on work/travel gig) when a coworker’s girlfriend came knocking. Within 3 minutes she was sucking me off, swallowed and the next day she pretended like nothing ever happened. It f~~~ed me up for a month because before that day, I would have agreed with you. Yes, Its rare and you are 99.99% right on that but that 0.01% still means be careful before you say s~~~ like that.

We’re the dot com and we don’t go around posting in other forums and making videos telling guys what they should be doing. It’s our responsibility NEVER to do that. It’s every MGTOWs responsibility to keep himself free of the reigns, bindings and constraints. Im really quite surprised…. because it’s true, some men when they are free, the just want to go back to prison again.

Beware the Lamiae wrote:

MGTOW, as it stands is a warped and meaningless clusterf~~~, NOT centered in accurate discernment of a problem and appropriate solutions to alleviate that problem. Its time to stop saying “f~~~ it” and actually get pragmatic.

Pull yourself together. It’s AN IDEA.

It’s an IDEA. And thats’ all it takes to change the world, man. An IDEA.

Men Going Their Own Way are not interested in fixing “the problem” or providing a solution. Don’t you get that? Those days are OVER. What you’re doing is the clusterf~~~. How can you call yourself a man going his own way…. when you’re looking for someone ELSE to illustrate a mapped out plan for you.

Why don’t you just get married. Some c~~~ out there WOULD LOVE to tell you what you are.