MGTOWMarital Sex and Jerking Off – MGTOW https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/marital-sex-and-jerking-off/feed/ Mon, 08 Jun 2020 18:40:47 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.5.14-6684 en-US https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/marital-sex-and-jerking-off/page/515/#post-4216 <![CDATA[Marital Sex and Jerking Off]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/marital-sex-and-jerking-off/page/515/#post-4216 Thu, 02 Oct 2014 15:52:54 +0000 Wakingup Been married for over 20 years with 3 kids…in my mid 40s. Four years ago I woke up to the fact that I was being completely manipulated and walked on. Turned over my b~~~~ years ago trying to be the “good guy” I was raised to be (told to be). Mostly, got tired of having no life other than her and my jobs. Realized I gave up everything that was important to me to make her happy. Gawd. Bascially I was a castrated douche. That’s done. Started putting my foot down, developing some friends again – very much need some men in my life, and wouldn’t listen to her constant paranoid bitching (accusations, suspicions, intuitions and drama). We’ve had the roughest 4 years filled with conflict we’ve ever had but i’m a s~~~ load happier. Fell like a man again. Ok…enough back story.

Our sex life has always been damn great. Yeah, even after 20 years. I can’t complain – we’ve had regular and pretty adventurous sex. Tried all kinds of kinky stuff. Love it. A year ago we were talking after a few drinks and she asked me if I still jerked off. I laughed and said…”Of course, regularly, always have and always will.” She got quiet. And said…”Am I not good enough?” (typical). I said “Has nothing to do with you – i really just enjoy it and honestly I don’t think it’s any of your business if I do…as long as it isn’t stopping us from having sex – and it’s clearly not.” She goes insane. Saying she thinks me stroking off is adultery. Lol. drama queen. I told her…”I think it’s weird you think that way and sorry but I won’t be discussing this topic with you.” Done.

If I find myself not married at some point down the road. Trust me bros – I will stay NOT married. And fully enjoy the single life. Fully.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/marital-sex-and-jerking-off/#post-4220 <![CDATA[Reply To: Marital Sex and Jerking Off]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/marital-sex-and-jerking-off/#post-4220 Thu, 02 Oct 2014 20:40:00 +0000 Aposematic Reminds me of the time I got a call from a wife frothing at the mouth chucking her husband out after catching him jerking off to internet porn.

An interesting thing happens with the cranial hamster at this point. The wife sees me (as her G.P.) and talks about a breast lump. Actually, the sick thing is they want me to validate whether their breasts are beautiful or not. Of course I don’t buy into this. I have seen this happen a few times with variations.

Happily, this man is now divorced and we had a MGTOW discussion the other day.

Afinogyny.. from the Greek Afino {to abandon/ to set down/ to leave /to allow/ to let } + Gyny {Women} MGHOW’s philosophy to not engage women without “hating them”. Narcorca =Narcissistic Orca typically spouting to a bathroom mirror taking an arms length selfie ; Wallinate describes post wall females whose SMV is terminally negligible New Years resolution "To not make women happy" . Instadestitue: yet another Neologism for Men that cohabit with women that decide to pull the handle of intervention orders.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/marital-sex-and-jerking-off/#post-4231 <![CDATA[Reply To: Marital Sex and Jerking Off]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/marital-sex-and-jerking-off/#post-4231 Fri, 03 Oct 2014 06:49:27 +0000 Keymaster Interesting awakening. Welcome. In a woman’s mind, jerking off is “cheating” because women want to be able to control when, where – and with whom – you arc your glob. Consider why women hate it when men have options. It’s because she can’t get away with manipulating a man with sex. Women want to be able to cheat him OUT of it (that’s the negotiating power they are counting on) but when YOU decide when and how you get off, they start having a real problem with it. Control freaks in the extreme. Every one of them.

There is only one BEST response to her over-dramatization which requires no further explanation from you:

“My body. My choice.”

That’s all you need to say to her, and go about your day. No woman (not even your wife) gets to have a problem with that, because that’s what they keep trying to tell US. The female argument(s) are so weak, all you need to do to defat them is hold a mirror up to them…… and then you’ll notice, they REALLY don’t like what they see (and hear).

“Am I not good enough?”

That’s an interesting question in itself. Considering a man can achieve orgasm by a woman just laying there, one wonders how she can flatter herself like that. (I am not speaking of her, specifically, but rather all women who flatter themselves by thinking they are “good in bed”). Does a toilet have to be any “good” for a man to be able to successfully take a dump?

Men have to be “good” for a woman to get off.
But a woman can just get on all fours, put her ass in the air and not move until he’s done.

Perhaps the next time it “cums up”, you will put this into perspective for her and then she should stop giving you grief about it.

Gratz on arriving at your own stream of consciousness.
Welcome, and thanks for joining!

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/marital-sex-and-jerking-off/#post-4232 <![CDATA[Reply To: Marital Sex and Jerking Off]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/marital-sex-and-jerking-off/#post-4232 Fri, 03 Oct 2014 07:12:08 +0000 JollyMisanthrope If you were giving her the brush-off then I could see why she’d be upset, but if you guys are still doing the deed and enjoying it she should just keep her mouth shut (or open, depending on the situation ;).

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.
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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/marital-sex-and-jerking-off/#post-4329 <![CDATA[Reply To: Marital Sex and Jerking Off]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/marital-sex-and-jerking-off/#post-4329 Mon, 06 Oct 2014 12:33:29 +0000 Rabidcaveman I remember my ex(21 years old, me 31 at the time) caught me “playing” with myself one morning. Actually I had morning wood. She had never been in a relationship with a man long enough (or didn’t live with the man, as she lived with me) to experience this.

She browbeat me for over an hour, as when I woke up I rolled over and “readjusted” myself to feel more comfortable. I explained to her the concept but she didn’t believe me. This was back in 2005( didn’t have Google) so I had to actually had to go to the library to prove what I told her was true. Notwithstanding the fact I was 10 years older than her, I almost thought she was smart enough to believe me.

After finding out the truth( after I went into the bathroom and p~~~ed my brains out thereby removing the wood) she said, “Oh, Ok.”

No apology, no “I’m sorry for bitching you out”. Nothing.

Even young chicks I tell this story to, laugh about it.

 

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/marital-sex-and-jerking-off/#post-4429 <![CDATA[Reply To: Marital Sex and Jerking Off]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/marital-sex-and-jerking-off/#post-4429 Thu, 09 Oct 2014 06:15:42 +0000 Keymaster

No apology, no “I’m sorry for bitching you out”. Nothing.

I swear it is absolutely true…… women are never bratty, bitchy, nagging c~~~s to themselves.

Just to other people.

A woman tried that s~~~ on me once too. Interesting you used the word “caught”. She “caught” me.

   “I CAUGHT YOU!!!” she said

   You CAUGHT me?

Women LOVE that word.

• “I caught him looking at me”
• “I caught him trying to look at me” (I actually heard a woman say that out loud more than once)
• “I caught him playing with himself while I was in the next room”

…. and my personal favorite……

• “I caught him looking at another woman.”
(there is no limit to their insanity)

…. as if whatever you were doing is some kind of crime. F~~~ing INSANE when they try to use that word. As if you need her permission to LOOK at something or someone else. It boggles the mind, really. Nuke her on the spot. NO. you didn’t “catch” me looking. I looked ON PURPOSE and will keep doing it whenever I so damn well please, you f~~~ing mentally-sick control freak.

The kind of women who have a *PROBLEM* with your morning wood – or what you decide to do about it…. must be ejected on the spot and it should be pointed out to them directly just what kind of insane control freaks they actually are. I mean it. F~~~in’ hell.

What the f~~~ was I supposed to do sweetheart? MOUNT you while you were sleeping? What exactly do you have a problem with? And now with California’s new “yes means yes” law, I need you to be fully awake and coherent enough to sign a legal agreement that it’s OK for me to make a deposit in The Bank of American Vagina and you have to provide written consent because you’re a childish c~~~ who can’t even consent without it.

So quiet frankly, I prefer to arc my glob without you, because you’re NOT WORTH IT anymore. Get out.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/marital-sex-and-jerking-off/#post-4464 <![CDATA[Reply To: Marital Sex and Jerking Off]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/marital-sex-and-jerking-off/#post-4464 Thu, 09 Oct 2014 17:13:30 +0000 Cap285 Freedom is like a drug. It’s addicting. I’m addicted to it.

Be wary of the ‘family’ courts.

Fuck this planet.
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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/marital-sex-and-jerking-off/#post-4719 <![CDATA[Reply To: Marital Sex and Jerking Off]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/marital-sex-and-jerking-off/#post-4719 Mon, 13 Oct 2014 16:18:26 +0000 Wakingup Very interesting to read your thoughts here.  Great insights men.   She has become so used to me initiating that when I stop (sometimes just to see how long she’d go) things get quite tense.  She starts having suspicious thoughts and completely withdrawals.   Quite cold acting actually.  Up until this past year I’d have pursued her but i’m tired of doing all the work..  Nice to be pursued don’t you think?   So our sex life only recently has been infrequent.  But my JO habits continue as they always have.  I have no plans on changing that.  Too enjoyable and some things simply don’t need to be about her.  Even when it comes to my c~~~.

Question…

I’ve been reading about the “Alpha” male techniques when dealing with women – some of it I agree with.  What I’m confused about is that the primary goal seems in conflict with the main philosophy.  Seem the Alpha’s define themselves by their ability to bed a woman.  So in this regard – she validates his Alpha-ness.   In short, he NEEDS her for him to be Alpha.   Again this seems a contradiction.

And if anyone knows of some great information on this type of thing for us married men – i’d appreciate it.  I’m convinced though my eyes have been opened – I’m confident I’m being manipulated in ways I have no clue about.   Pathetic.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/marital-sex-and-jerking-off/#post-4875 <![CDATA[Reply To: Marital Sex and Jerking Off]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/marital-sex-and-jerking-off/#post-4875 Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:51:08 +0000 Keymaster @wakingup

She has become so used to me initiating that when I stop (sometimes just to see how long she’d go) things get quite tense. She starts having suspicious thoughts and completely withdrawals. Quite cold acting actually.

A woman is like one of those knife-sharpening wheels with a foot pedal. As long as you keep making the effort and pumping your foot, something happens — and you may even see sparks! But when you ease back (even a little) and stop pumping with your foot, nothing happens. She just kinda sits there… and gets “cold”. That’s when they start complaining because you’re not doing all the work.

So I know exactly what you mean.

They are wired to RESPOND.

Question…Seem the Alpha’s define themselves by their ability to bed a woman. So in this regard – she validates his Alpha-ness. In short, he NEEDS her for him to be Alpha. Again this seems a contradiction.

You are on to something there. Watch http://www.mgtow.com/video/deconstructing-game/
It talks about men who’s “Alpha” persona will never actually be the dark-mained lion. Great video.

“Alpha” – true “alpha” – is more like…. Godzilla. King Kong. Pay close attention to their characters. They didn’t need mates to validate their existence. They are very humame, warm and GOOD creatures. They were only as aggressive as they needed to be to protect themselves. There is no female validating either or their existences – or plotting their courses. They literally “went their own way”. This occurred to me in the recent Godzilla 2014 movie when he defeated the other male “alpha” obsessed with breeding who Godzilla battled with for 2 hours. At the end, The humans watched him just take off into the sea on his own. He just wanted to be left alone in peace.

I smiled when I saw it. I actually thought…
OMG. Godzilla is a f~~~ing MGTOW!

The movie was – literally – about the difference between a PUA “alpha” and the alpha MGTOW.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/marital-sex-and-jerking-off/#post-4881 <![CDATA[Reply To: Marital Sex and Jerking Off]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/marital-sex-and-jerking-off/#post-4881 Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:45:09 +0000 Wakingup “The movie was – literally – about the difference between a PUA “alpha” and the alpha MGTOW.”

The above paragraph about Godzilla / King Kong made perfect sense…great example.  Very helpful.

There is a very real need for these principles to applied to marital life.  Most of it is geared toward single men.  I’m one man who is learning, mostly through mistakes and some serious s~~~ fights with my wife, to “go my own way” without divorcing or isolating myself from my wife.   I had to – I was being smothered, isolated and controlled.  I didn’t like the man I had become and decided to make a change.

I’m telling you…some days I can totally understand the concept of two men living together as opposed to a man and a woman.  We are so vastly different in every way…it’s a wonder the species as survived.  For example (as it relates to this topic) IF my wife, out of the blue, ever told me she masturbated I’d get completely turned on.  If I came home and saw her fingering herself to some crazy porn…i’d go nuts and not only join her – but she’d have to stop and let me drill her.  I’d never find it contradictory to our sex life – I find it hot she was being sexual.  I find it arousing that she was enjoying her vagina – it could use some good old fashioned fingering i’m sure.  I find it healthy and amazingly sensual.

Truth is she’s probably doing it but not telling me.  At least I hops she is.

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