If you think reproduction is important (and there are no living things, human or otherwise, that don’t reproduce) then males are disabled.

In particular, in a species where culture, relationships, and communication are important, males are disabled.

We cannot have children.  We need the cooperation of a female for a minimum of nine months to have a child.  And after that, we continue to need the cooperation of a female, generally, in order to have a relationship with our children

This is the problem with being a male; our ability to have a family is only as good as our relationship with a female.

The same does not hold true for women.   I have a 35-year-old female friend who is not particularly attractive, but very picky.  She has no  children.  She told me the other day she was going to have a kid.  “How?”  I asked.   “Well, I’ll either get a sperm donor, or just have sex with a guy.”

Have sex with a guy.  And we all know how hard it is for a woman to get laid, right?   She has no fears of the father running off with the child, or having an abortion, or demanding full custody.  She just “has sex with a guy” and BOOM, she has a loving family.

The best part is, she looks like a SAINT for being a struggling single mom, who is willing to “sacrifice everything” to raise her beloved kids.  I’m sure the kids will be reminded “your mom wanted you when no one else did” etc., etc.

In other words, females have built-in family-making hardware.  Males are the ones who have to learn to walk alone, or learn how to please a woman.

Females complaining that they face “discrimination” is understandable from a knee-jerk perspective.  But it is like this:  If half the population was born legless, I am guessing the people with legs might have a hard time finding places to sit.  They might even complain “geeze, all these legless people are sitting in all the good chairs!”

Heck, the legless people might start apologizing, and saying “gosh, I am sorry, it must be hard to have to wander around looking for places to sit down.”

That is basically the gender imbalance in modern society.  Women have a HUGE advantage being able to have kids.   They get to live full lives, with families, without needing men.   The opposite is in no way true. But the advantage is so arbitrary, and so all-encompassing, that it is invisible to all.   Even MEN feel guilty about not being able to have kids — “gosh, I guess I SHOULD donate to help all those single moms and their poor kids…”

Pretty confident nobody here will perceive it as an anti-male position.
Only women think pointing out their disadvantage is “misogyny” or anti-female.

However, it’s not a disadvantage. When a woman has baby, she’s not “having a kid”. She’s having an ADULT. Let’s be practical. C~~~roaches, rats, cats and chickens “give birth” too. But it’s MEN who give LIFE. There is no advantage to being able to pop a turd out when empty values are pumped into it’s head. It’s like having a brilliant idea but no funding or marketing skills. Single mothers are where the prison population come from. Hitler came from a single mother too. So did Justin Bieber. Having a kid is the LEAST of it. But all women run around obsessed with “wanting to have a baby”… they all “want a baby”… and lets have another “baby”.

They’re aren’t having a “baby”. They are having an ADULT.

Single mothers are not as insistent to send their kids to the best schools. They don’t teach kids business and how to make s~~~ loads of money or how to construct cities. They don’t take their sons to hockey practice at 5AM, or teach boys how to shoot hoops and become massive basketb~~~~ stars. Or how to build rockets. You will even notice they will discourage this kind of dream.

Being able to “give birth” is not an advantage. Being the kind of man who can give a kid LIFE is the advantage. That single mother (where is that damn video clip….) who punched out 12 kids with not a dime to her name is not advantaged. Not even close. She is a parasite and goes on record saying “look at all my kids. someone’s got to PAY”. That’s a disaster, and you can be proud to be the kind of man who doesn’t even have ONE child who has to live that way.

And the reason you don’t have 12 of your own is because you (and we ) thought about it. We sit down in advance and THINK about it. Something single mothers with bastards from 3 different fathers didn’t do. This scenarios plays out to the right and left of us and we see it every day. A woman will want more kids just because she wants more kids (or to collect more checks). That’s not a reason to have a kid. Her husband doesn’t want more for a reason. Because he thought about it and +$250K to raise a child to 18 properly is a damn good reason.

On my birthday this year, a woman at the party asked me if I have any kids. She got my stock response with a smile: “I don’t really know”. After all, it’s still legal in this country for a woman to allow herself to get pregnant without a man’s consent. (But is that good?)

After it sunk in, I told her I’m not even interested in having kids in a world where Kim Kardashian makes the front page every time she takes a s~~~. I don’t want my kids raised by Justina Beaver and Miley Syphilis. No parent can compete with that kind of brainless cultural bombardment. I don’t want to send my son to school where he will be force-fed ritalin when he acts out, or know it’s impossible to get the excellent schooling he should have …. with proper values, like honor, integrity, code, loyalty and everything that makes a country great.

This is a reason for every man without kids to hold his chin high. The fact that woman gets a baby “shower” (of GIFTS!) for merely having unprotected sex is not something he is missing out on. The reason men don’t get celebrated with a shower of attention for ejaculating inside a woman and impregnating her is because its silly and stupid. It’s meaningless. It’s empty and has no value. Women would LAUGH if men starting having “baby showers” too. Because its’ nothing to celebrate. It’s an illusion. A farce. A fakery. It’s no big deal. It’s not an “advantage”. It’s a automatic bodily function like pinching a loaf of s~~~ – not an acheivement.

Only in the animal kingdom is “having a baby” an accomplishment.
For animals, it’s “the BEST” they can do.
For human MEN, it’s not the highest standard or accomplishment we can attain.

Raising kids properly, changing the world for the better, and propelling society forward is the achievement, and it should not be celebrated , congratulated, or regarded as such even ONE DAY before that child is 26+ with both feet firmly established in the world as a formidable citizen able to pass on a legacy established and earned by his forefathers.

Present society is a JOKE. Not fueling it is the accomplishment.

Thank you for your inspiring thought.

Females are the ones that are interested in family and community and sitting in a circle together sharing their feelings and agreeing on things. Men prefer to sit in a line side by side with their objective (a bison, a scotch, a topless dancer) in front of them and talk about what they’re doing with the world.

Imagine a traditional holiday dinner… the wife sits at the table and is proud of the earning potential of the husband she bagged, how smart and well behaved her kids are and how connected to the web of her parents and her siblings she is. The husband, on the other hand, is proud that he’s worked hard and owns a house and that he was able to pay for a big turkey.

It’s a difference, but not a disability.

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It’s a difference, but not a disability.

Agreed. While it’s true females have the baby-making hardware, there are distinct advantages men enjoy in the reproductive arena. Men are fertile all the time and continue to be fertile at a later age than women. Women have a finite number of eggs that continue to decline as they get older, whether men continue to produce semen all through his life. Women may have an advantage with deciding when and if to have a kid, but it’s an advantage that is curtailed by women having to act on a very limited timetable.

I think another consideration is how many men would want to experience pregnancy if it was possible. Outside of MtF transsexuals, I doubt any man would want to carry a child. I know I wouldn’t. What’s the point? As Keymaster has already noted, animals instinctively reproduce. What’s the achievement in having a baby? For as much as some people get excited about the news of pregnancy, I never have heard why it’s something to celebrate.

Go ahead and feel that way, but recognize that having to rely on another human being to carry your offspring in their bodies for 9 months does give you a more limited experience of parent-child relationship than a woman has.

I put it this way to a female friend of mine:  The closest a man ever comes to another human being is when he is having sex with a woman.  The closest a woman ever comes to another human being is when she grows her baby inside her, and feeds it with her own body.

Men focus on the tactile, the sensory, the immediate-touch experience, and on sex with women, because that is all we have.  We never have the potential connection to our children that women have, so we shut it out of our minds as even a possibility.

Just like those women who were grateful to have a man to take care of them.

A woman is interested in a man’s accomplishments, his resume, and his social status, because she knows she is going to be able to leverage those things from him.  Women have relationship leverage.  Men don’t.  Men acquire power, acquire money, and then basically use those things to bargain with women for sex and kids.

A woman knows she has HERSELF.  And that is what she bargains with.  Not a self of accomplishment, or property, or other superficial outer things.  She has a physical body that is MOTHER.  And she bargains fiercely with it.

A male has a spurting dick, and tries to put semen in as many places as possible.  That, to him, is as deep as relationships go.

All you have to do to really understand how true this is, is to look at how men treat women they are trying to woo.  A woman offers HERSELF to a man.  If a man offered HIMSELF to  a woman, he would be laughed at.

Ever notice that a huge component of comedy is male suffering?  Kicking men in the crotch is hilarious.  It is all about reminding men that their bodies are empty shells, useless.  Female bodes are the source of life.  Nobody would make a comedy sketch about a woman getting kicked in the crotch.

I say all of this because I think men need to recognize and deal with their disadvantaged position.  MGOTW is a very important start, but I think a lot of men cling to the hope that if we take our toys and go away, women will come begging us to return.

I don’t think women are going to beg men to return.  I think they will just look for other ways to exploit the wealth they were born with.  Just as rather than trying to force men to stay with women, women have developed a sophisticated “child support” system, and are working hard to make it easier and easier for women to raise children alone, on public assistance.

The brutal but critical truth to remember is that women DON’T need men the way men need women.  They really don’t.  MGTOW needs to be as much as possible about men supporting each other to make up for the fact that we are, truly, missing something that women have.   If we think that women are going to come begging to us, or that we will eventually get the upper hand back, I think we are sorely mistaken.

I used to be of the opinion that men should not use a woman for sex if we already know we’d never commit to a long term relationship with her. Since most women are trying to use sex to get a man to agree to a long term relationship with her, dangling that in order to get sex and then abandoning her seemed as dishonest as it is when they dangle short term sex to get long term resources from us. But my opinion on that is changing. If they are going to parasitize us for resources through a tax system wether we choose to be biological fathers or not, wether we choose to even have sex with them or not, they have created a system where we may as well dangle the false promise of long term relationship and commitment with them in order to get what short term sex we can. If those resources are going to be extracted from us anyway, short term sex (albeit based on false hope of long term commitment) is the only compensation at all that we can ever hope to get…my as well take it.

I’m old enough that the strongest years of my sex drive are behind me now. And I can get what sex I need without dangling any false hopes of commitment. But if I were starting over at the age of some of the younger men on this site, I would not burden myself with any moral hesitation about not being honest with women where commitment is concerned. I don’t think any man owes women anymore honesty to women than he is being offered by women.

If you think that the stakes involved (a lifetime of unearned resources that they neither have to acknowledge the effort or even show the most minimal gratitude for) is not enough to inspire women to sacrifice honesty in order to achieve them, then you are a sucker and the resources you are earning are probably next in line for the divorce court resource extraction machine. We should use this site to help younger men understand the way the system works, and how to avoid being trapped in it. We should also use it to help advise men already trapped and parasitized by it to learn how best to survive and escape it when they become ready to take that step…

I myself was completely bowled over by a much younger woman when I was 37.  Nothing could have prepared me for thinking that I had found “heaven” meeting a 21-year-old beauty after finally establishing myself financially and professionally.  Thinking she was attracted to me the way I was attracted to her — that she saw the “real” me now that I had some money and success — I got HAMMERED.  Now my life is in a financial shambles, and she is working me over again and again through child support manipulation.

But at least I am divorced, and have learned my lesson, finally, about how women can really use beauty, “vulnerability” and their ability to have men’s babies.   A hard lesson, and one I will be paying for another 15 years, but at least I got through the divorce, the false “domestic violence” charges, the smear campaigns, with some of my dignity and earning power intact.

Now, I have much more mutually beneficial relationships.  Sex is much easier to come by once you aren’t thinking of each conquest as a measure of your human value.  The pressure on young males to “perform” by showing off/proving how amazing they are, is incredible.  I couldn’t deal with it.  I have had more sexual partners since my divorce than I had in my entire life beforehand, and almost all the relationships (with the exception of one psycho blackmailer) have been mutually beneficial, and separated on good terms.

So it isn’t that all women are psychotic predators.  But the vulnerable males will never see the psycho ones coming, and are not going to be able to form relationships with the reasonable women.  Reasonable women smell desperation a mile away, so most guys have to cut their teeth on psychos first, sadly.