But I have been REALLY unfortunate when it comes to women. I was involved in two brief relationships, but those were more than 5 years ago. I have been single since more than 5 years now. Women usually tell me that I’m a great guy in every way, but just not their ‘type’, so I get friendzoned. Initially I used to feel that it had something to do with my looks. I was insecure about my looks ever since childhood, and was a bit overweight too. So I put in a lot of efforts to lose those extra pounds, and improve my appearance in general. But its still the same old story. I’m sick and tired of hearing the same thing from women over and over again (that I’m a great guy but not their type), as though the words are coming from an old, malfunctioning gramophone record.

I’m surely NOT one of those guys who only want sex. I respect women (or used to), but I definitely don’t place them on a pedestal like the stereotypical ‘nice guys’ do. I’m not into drugs, alcohol, smoking etc. And I’m still holding on to my V-card because I’m not at all interested in hookers, one night stands or friends with benefits So I really don’t know where I’m going wrong. I’m surprised how real jerks seem to pick up pretty women left and right. I don’t have lofty standards regarding a partner. Maybe there’s something horribly wrong with me which I can’t quite put my finger on, and others don’t tell me what that is because they don’t want me to get hurt.

But since the past few days, I have realized that I’m not the only man with such issues, and its actually more common than I ever imagined. I’ve starting to firmly believe that I don’t need any woman to complete me life or make me happy. Women don’t give a crap about me, and I don’t give a crap about them. Its much better this way. I have found alternate ways of keeping myself happy (which are mostly related to technology). But the thing is, I don;’t know if I can live out my entire life happily without women, or will ‘loneliness’ inevitably raise its ugly head in my life at some point. I came across this website and forum when i was randomly browsing the internet. I really liked the concept, and I hope I can find myself an ‘all-men’ family here, consisting of like-minded men who wouldn’t want to have ANYTHING to do with women.

P.S. I’m not sure if this is the proper forum to post whatever I did. In case its not, I request the mods to kindly not delete it, and instead move it to the appropriate forum.

We seem to be on the right path with using technology to stop us from being lonely. We have our video games, PC’s, blu rays, phones, and tablets with tons of stuff. I also have plenty of books as well. I feel once I have a daughter I won’t worry about being lonely because I will have her to take care of and even when she moves out I will always have her to talk to and visit. I wanted to get married and have a child with a woman, but now I realize that will never happen.

Don’t let anyone give you any crap for being a virgin either. I didn’t lose mine until 21 and currently haven’t had sex in 3 years. People think I am crazy for going 3 years without sex, but at least I don’t have to worry about STD’s or crazy baby mama drama and my bank account isn’t being drained by some psycho chick who thinks it is ok to take over half my pay check every for month in child support. One of the most important things we and every man should remember is when you do find a woman who does want to date her try and find out her past, mainly her dating and sexual history. Do not get with some woman who back in college would have never given you the time of day. She might try to pull the “well people change” card, but she knew what she was doing and you can’t let her win. Just think about it. Every friday and saturday night she is out having sex with all these loser bad boy types and/or dating them while you are home with no date. She won’t date you or give you a chance because you are nice and that automatically makes you boring. She wants the wild bad boy types because that is what women like. Then 10-15 years later she is older and wants to settle down because those wild bad boys didn’t treat them right so then they come to us because now we have decent jobs and are doing well for our selves. We weren’t good enough for them during our college days with more freedom and having fun, but once we are making money and and starting to get established now we are good enough because they couldn’t see it until now. lol

“You’re a great guy. Just not her type.”… as if coming from a broken gramophone record. Isn’t it fascinating it doesn’t matter who she is, or where you are, you keep hearing the same thing over and over again, almost as if perfectly rehearsed from a script. Eventually, you will hear this just one too many times, and in that moment, a switch will go off in your head and you will learn:

IF YOU KEEP DOING WHAT YOU’VE ALWAYS DONE…
YOU’RE GONNA KEEP GETTING WHAT YOU ALWAYS GOT.

The first thing you must realize is that its NOT YOUR “FAULT”.
And you’re not doing anything “wrong”.

In fact, that’s the problem.

(Just work with me on this….)

Women like reclamation projects. “Extreme makeovers” and such.
If you come “perfect”, there is nothing for her to “fix”.

It’s counter-intuitive, but the harder you work at convincing her and showing you have your life in order, ducks in a row, hair in place, job in check, car in working order, pressed shirts, don’t drink, don’t smoke, pay your bills on time…. the less there is “wrong” with you, and the less of a “conquest” you will be to her. So I am compelled to insist that you take 5 minutes and listen to this » with an open mind.

There is a REASON women will never tell you this.
Because they refuse to admit that to THEMSELVES.

The reason she will never tell you this, is because it is the absolute REVERSE of what they SAY they want.
It’s time for you to take a cue from that, and IGNORE what women have to “say”…. and only pay attention to what they DO.

“You’re a great guy… you’re just not my type”. Of course that doesn’t make any sense. But it is another way of saying: “stop trying to convince me you’re such a great guy”. She is effectively telling you she isn’t attracted to “great guys”! What does that tell you?? Her “type” is not a “great guy”.

You follow?

It’s like she is telling you the recipe for how to change things, without handing you the instruction manual. To be clear, this is not to say you should start being an asshole. Or start being an irresponsible jerk. Start smoking. Start drinking. etc…… NO!!! because if you were to start doing that, you would be bending your life and your values, beliefs, integrity and self-respect for female affection and approval. You would effectively be turning yourself into someone you are NOT, just to have some “success” with women. That is the first best way to ensure a negative outcome. While it may work at getting you laid, it’s not who you are. And it won’t make you “happy” for that very reason.

Then you might be very rewarded to listen very carefully to THIS.

At 28, you haven’t even begun to realize your own potential. You are approaching a time when women who once stepped over you in favor of irresponsible jerks who mistreated them will come looking for you, and you must make sure – when that day comes – that you tell them exactly what they told you. NO… as you drive off into the sunset laughing you f~~~ing heading off.

As surely as many men experience what you described, it is a reality that you can’t see the future yet.

This is a fascinating subject which has much more to it, and we could go on (and I hope the discussion will), but you shouldn’t swallow an entire bottle of red pill lessons at once….. but don’t for a second think you can’t live your life happy without a woman. Get that out of your head right now. Too many young guys make that mistake before they start to reap the benefits. Remain steadfast in your beliefs and true to yourself.

Realize, you have been programmed since the crib – through all kinds of cultural bombardment – to believe that not having a “girlfriend” means you are doing everything “wrong”. It’s utter nonsense. But even more importantly, who CARES what “her type” is? Women don’t do the choosing. YOU do. YOU determine what YOUR type is. And if she is “the type” who prefers to be mistreated, or date jerks, and doesn’t appreciate a “great guy”… how is it possible to respect (or want to date) her anyway?

She is telling you right up front that she is EXACTLY the type you should stop paying attention to immediately. Chicks like that are saving you a WORLD of trouble, pal. You should politely SMILE, THANK her for telling you everything you need to know about her… and get up and LEAVE.

A big welcome to you.

More later…

I don’t know if I can live out my entire life happily without women, or will ‘loneliness’ inevitably raise its ugly head in my life at some point.

I think it depends on your personality more than anything else. I haven’t been in a relationship since high school and I’m 30 years old now. Its never bothered me though because I’m such an introvert. I can create my own energy for life, I don’t need to siphon it off other people. If your like me, it’s quite possible to be alone without being lonely. If I for some reason start getting lonely, I figure I’ll just look for a girl that is in roughly the same boat as me and try to make that work.

I’m surely NOT one of those guys who only want sex. I respect women (or used to), but I definitely don’t place them on a pedestal like the stereotypical ‘nice guys’ do. I’m not into drugs, alcohol, smoking etc. And I’m still holding on to my V-card because I’m not at all interested in hookers, one night stands or friends with benefits

I can identify with this sentiment quite a bit. I used to write poems and songs on the guitar and everything for that pussy. Ugh…I’m cringing at the reflection of my youth! I tried that friends with benefits thing a couple of years ago with a girl I met through mutual friends. Turns out she was benefiting all of her friends. And to think I was starting to like her!(Red Pill, I welcome thy knowledge).

Summation. Make friends with single guys, go to work someplace where you actually complain about having to go home at night, and never let anyone convince you that you aren’t a complete badass for living your life for yourself.

A couple of years ago, I was working next to another bloke . He was married and just had a kid , and when I would come in, he would ask about my weekend and listen very intently. It could have been anything from uneventful and relaxing, to an out-of-town road trip, or jumping from an airplane. Didn’t really matter, he enjoyed just hearing about it.

One day he said “when I grow up, I want to be you”, which was twice as funny, because he was older. But I knew exactly what he meant.

Thanks for the warm welcome! See, this is the difference between men and women. I have been treated like crap by women all my life, but I sign up on a totally unknown male forum and total strangers welcome me in such a warm and kind way. I would have liked to respond individually to everyone who posted here, but unfortunately there is no option on these forums to quote previous comments.

I really HATE the fact that in spite of rapid rise in feminism and changes in gender roles, women STILL stick to the old, outdated 17th century tradition which says ‘men should ALWAYS make the first move’. And then they tell us men to deal with rejection. Its actually amusing when the gender who usually don’t even know what rejection is, talk about dealing with rejection. What effort do women have to put in to get a man? None, actually. They can just sit around, without raising a finger or batting an eyelid. But men are supposed to approach, strike up a conversation, ask for the first date, pay for the first date, lean forward for the first kiss, ask and pay for the second date, take the lead on sex, buy the first present, ask her to be their girlfriend, buy a ring and get down on one knee. I mean, WHAT THE HELL?

The worst part is, when a man is emotional or cries a bit, people tell him ‘Man up and stop being a woman’. But if women cry, they get all the sympathy and support. We men are supposed to be totally emotionless like robots, and even if we show the slightest bit of emotion, we are termed ‘weak’. Most women use their emotion and tears as ‘trump cards’ to manipulate men and get things done their way. Men can never do this, because the moment a man shows even the slightest bit of emotion or sheds a single tear, he is labeled ‘weak’. The best possible example of double standards, I must say.

I certainly would want to eliminate women from my life altogether (except for my mom and a few female relatives, whom I love a lot). Day be day my resolve is becoming stronger in this regard. I wonder if there’s ANY place in the world which is primarily occupied by men. I want to spend the rest of my life in some place where I wouldn’t even have to look at women on a daily basis. I have reached a point where even random women such as waitresses, female colleagues, or even someone walking down the street, annoy the crap out of me. And no, I won’t resort to any kind of violence because I wouldn’t want to end up in prison.

It’s a mistake to believe women taking a passive approach to dating & mating is an “advantage”. It’s precisely because we take the active approach that NOT taking an active approach is equally effective. It means you have a world of options and choices (including ignoring them)…. where as women limit themselves to only being able to “choose” from the pool of men who feel like showing interest. If the guy doesn’t show interest in her, nothing will happen. The older they get, the smaller the pool of available men becomes, as your options will widen. This is practically a biological certainty, especially if you do everything right and keep your life in order.

Just because Women believe their “rejection” should be devastating and hurtful doesn’t mean you should. Young guys are deliberately programmed by every facet of media and culture as if women is some kind of “prize” and you’re “missing out” if you don’t shackle yourself to some chick. Consider at Walt Disney, trying to convince 6 year-old girls that they can just lay there, asleep, and Justin Bieber will now want them for no reason.

When it comes to rejection, what is she “rejecting”, after all? Your time, attention, generosity, effort, investment and energy?
She’s saving you the trouble! Because the pursuit of women never pays. It only costs.

You would be more rewarded to pursue other things that PAY.
And when you are successful, women will pursue you.

Recently, a guy in Santa Barbara, California, was so devastated by female “rejection” that he took out his anger and rage violently and shot & stabbed several people. And then killed himself. They were mostly men. Some were a good looking whom he envied for their ability to garner female affection and attention. Guys should not be FALSELY believing that their lives will be a lonely wasteland unless he has a “girlfriend”. He was so convinced women are some kind of “prize”. Plenty of experience with women will show you their “rejection” is as meaningless as their approval. Goddammit, I wish I could have talked some sense into him.

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I forgot to mention this in my first post, but I use to feel like that before I got my first girlfriend. I used to hate seeing couples whenever I went out and I tried not to look at them. I could be at the comic book store or gamestop and when I guy and his girlfriend walked in I would start to feel unhappy and keep my distance. If they ended up talking to me it was hard to look at them. I really just had a hard time seeing other couples,but feeling as if I would never find a girlfriend. After I got a girlfriend it was better, but for a while I would still be like “man I wish I had a girlfriend” However now I don’t care anymore as I know women no longer want to date so why get upset over being single. Although now when I see people with a kid I start to feel unhappy because I want a daughter.

Even if a man takes the lead on any of those things he has to be careful if she doesn’t like it or thinks it is going to fast than you are the bad guy for making the first move lol. If a man cries and that makes him weak and not a man than wouldn’t that make a woman who doesn’t want to have children not a real women? I haven’t had the best experience with women either,but I feel like it has made me stronger in a sense.

And you people know something strange? What i went through is MUCH worse than just being rejected on friendzoned. In most cases, the women who friendzoned me were not even those I was interested in, or even expressed any kind of feelings. I’m general I’m a really friendly person (or used to be) with both men and women, and the women used to misinterpret my friendliness as romantic interest. So they always used to say “Please understand that I only see you a sa friend, and I hope its the same with you as well”. What the hell! So this means I’m getting rejected and friendzoned even by women I never asked out, or never was interested in the first place. Am I THAT repulsive? Can anything be more insulting than this? I know loads of men go through all this carp of being rejected or friendzoned, but has anyone gone though what I have described here? I guess not. Sometimes I used to wonder if I was even human. i mean…no human, man or woman, deserves this kind of insult and humiliation.

I’m very well aware of the Santa Barbara incident, because it was all over the news in all parts of the world. That guy was mentally unstable, I believe. I surely hate women with a scorching intensity, but there’s no way I’ll resort to violence. Women friendzoning me is not a crime, and even if it was, I would never be foolish enough to take law into my own hands.