I think it is a sociological trend that the human race itself has been evolving to a point where we are almost reaching a majority of sociopathic individuals; male and female alike. Of course, women have eggs which are more rare, and sperm is abundant, so women’s notion of love is derived more from the need to find men who will be able to provide; and men, because our inherent drive is to spread or seed around, we tend to think of love as a physical acceptance by the possessor of the vagina. So it isn’t that women are so bad, when they are bad, it is just that mental disorder manifests differently in men. But it does happen to men too. We are just not bound to our buddies c~~~ and reproduction for our self esteem, as much. But let’s be clear… a man can be just as irrational, ego driven, lacking empathy and sociopathic as any women you have ever known.

What I am saying is, it is a statistical illusion to assume that a MGTOW should only “go their own way” from women. I think a true MGTOW goes his own way relative to other men and women. Women and men are more alike (genetically and sociologically) then they are different; and if I could rerun a few incidents in my past with men who were suppose to be friends or business partners, you would see what I mean. Men can be just as irrational and cruel as a woman, especially if they feel you are superior to them in some way; regardless if he is your best buddy from high school or if he is a family member.

Like I said, I believe in much of what MGTOWs are saying, but attributing it all to women, although true to some extent, it is more a personality thing, from person to person. I will bet money that many men that claim to be MGTOWs are simply hurt egos or even sociopaths, simply by statistical probability.

I have known many men who simply wanted to subjugate me, even destroy or kill me, just to reassure their own status. Women just tend to do it more covertly and passive-aggressively; which comes across as more “sly”. One thing I know about people, and not just women, is that people are always misrepresenting themselves; especially when we are talking Internet nerds. So I think many MGTOWs are “professing a bit too loudly”. 😉

All that being said, I think a MGTOW movement is going to grow over the decades, because we have a legitimate gripe. But I am not certain I could turn down the chance to spend some time inside of a woman half my age.

A man can be just as irrational, ego driven, lacking empathy and sociopathic as any women you have ever known.

1. That’s obvious (albeit it often manifests differently) and I doubt many MGTOW question that. Consider the other points before responding as they are related.
2. Women often aren’t held nearly as accountable as men because we’re biologically driven and socially conditioned to protect and idealize women so it makes sense to uncover the dark side of female nature for a change.
3. Some of the behavior MGTOW often talk about isn’t general sociopathy but deeply rooted in female nature, for example hypergamy and the “borg consensus” (aka sisterhood).

But I am not certain I could turn down the chance to spend some time inside of a woman half my age.

The question isn’t if you’d take it for free but what price you’re willing to pay and what risks you’re willing to take.

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The reason the woman issue is brought up is because the MGTOW movement is comprised primarily of heterosexual men and sex is a major part of life.  Get men together and they discuss either women’s, sports, or politics/religion/philosophy.  Usually women is the top of the conversation though.

With that being said the whole “brother watching your back” thing is dead also.  MGTOW deals a lot with relationships with women because as I said sex is a major part of life.  However, it is also about dealing with fellow males in the business and social world.  Men interact with women differently than men interact with men.  Different issues result from each.

I think it has more to do with addressing a “conscious brain”; and that is what MGTOW is attempting to be (conscious awareness of women). But in order to that to be so I think a true MGTOW of the future will be more and more open to introspection– and I don’t mean the kind of self-doubt or self-analysis that some bitch will use to “fix” a man. I am talking about opening up more consciousness by looking in the mirror.

The first thing I noticed about MGTOW, is that ever since the movie The Matrix every philosophical group uses the “Red Pill” analogy to describe their philosophy as the one that is “awakening to the truth”. Ironically, when I was being critical of “The Secret”/”The Law of Attraction” they were constantly trying to tell me I need to “take the red pill”; just before I heard of MGTOW, I was got interested in a Libertarian philosopher on YouTube, and he sells his gig with “take the red pill”, and that “red pill” reference is what put a MGTOW video suggestion on my YouTube feed….

Don’t get me wrong… I LOVE the red pill metaphor… but that is the point. Everybody loves that idea of taking the red pill because they want to FEEL as though they are being freed from a lower level of consciousness…. This is how cults and conspiracy theorists recruit believers… by making it seem as though they are freeing you from mind control of the establishment….

Yes…. I agree with MGTOW about 99% of the way. I just think that with ANY conscious awakening one must be open to all honest reasoning, even if that means looking in the proverbial mirror for incongruences, so that the philosophy evolves to more and more INTEGRITY.

All I am saying is that the issue with MGTOW is a philosophy, and in order for it to proliferate to the male population, it should be able to hold up to critical thought… thus being legitimized.

A man is limited in ways he can legally make your life miserable. That is, unless you marry him. While possible, I don’t think that represents a majority of MGTOW; and thus you have your answer.

Why is MGTOW  a reaction to the realities of dealing with women? I can share some of my thoughts.

1. Females are more impressionable than males. Like a sponge that can’t help but absorb liquid, women absorb toxic beliefs and propagande spewed out of society’s every corner in great quantities. Think feminism, marxism, male privilege..
2. The government and its laws are set-up against the male, and in favor of women.
3. Our beloved FIAT, crony-capitalistic economy is perfoming horrible, and is on the verge of collapse. Poor economy and bleak future prospects has increased hypergamy.
4. Females are by nature egoistical and manipulative (there are evolutionary reasons for this).
5. Sexual liberation.

Take these five points and mesh them together. What do you get? -The modern woman.

MGTOW is a sane decision in an insane society.

You are under the false assumption that the majority of males are critical thinkers and want the same thing you do.  If looked at as a “movement” MGTOW can stand up on its own two feet.  Men are leaving society due to corruption and a variety of other reasons.

If looked at as a philosophy it fails in one aspect, but succeeds in another.

It fails at being totally rational.    Men Going Thier “Own” Way is a very subjective statement in that “way” is subject to the “Man/Men” ‘s desire.  Desire in and of itself is not rational.

It succeeds in that most of the modern philosophers, in their attempt to use “reason” only, have ended up with either irrational premises and/or predicates to their arguments.  In other words the masses will adapt a philosophy whether it is rational or not.

One eery observation I have made throughout the years, is the the hardcore MGTOW members who take it as a philosophy also literally follow(ed) writers/philosophers who have involved themself in the occult and/or satanic philosophy.  I don’t intend this sound dramatic or conspiratorial, however I have observed alot of religions and philosophy, and some of the hardcore guys seem to follow this line and even pushed similiar authors.  Google the philosophical laws of satanism and you will find that the hardcore members seem to knowingly or unknowingly push these “laws” alot.

On the other hand there seem to be me a small minority of religiously minded men who are here due to observations of societal corruption.  These seem to be more of the movement type.  They either observed or experienced societal corruption and are trying to learn how to survive and deal with it.

Besides these two groups, which are real small, there are a bunch of guys who are just flat confused with what is going on and are looking for direction were ever they can get it.  I would say this is the majority of the members.

I was born to way older parents as in nearly 50 years old when I was conceived, and I’m pushing 50 myself. My mother was from the old school.  Even though she could chick out sometimes, she was the most level headed and strong woman one could ever meet.  She often remarked how FUBAR’ed and crazy women my age and younger are.

I was born at the bra burning stage of feminism in the 60’s.  My sister is old enough to be my mother, and she rabidly hates feminism.  I think this f~~~ed me up as a growing young lad I was only exposed to women who had not been poisoned by feminism so CP was in for a rude awakening when he hit the world with the feminist poisoned sluts who made up his dating pool.

My father was the most manly cat you could ever meet a veritable anti-mangina.  His influence was why no woman could ever make me submit to her, and brothers, CP has paid a huge price for his long term refusal to submit to female dominance.  Even in my blue pill days, I would never submit to them.  I drove them f~~~ing apoplectic.  Luckily, my oddball upbringing saved me from the ruination of marriage.

Modern women are nothing more than poisonous narcissistic snakes so treat them as such.  It really sucks that I have to even say s~~~ like this.

That is your opinion.

It is legitimate and up to the individual to choose to “go their own way” because one does not like the nature of women. However, it is even more clear to me than ever that in order for that to be a conscious decision one must not feel that the true nature of women is to be feared…. Most MGTOW men will not admit it openly, but their opinions are based on the fact that they are deeply attracted to the nature of females, but FEAR not being able to control the female…

See, it ABSOLUTELY is a power game. Men who feel powerless in the intermingling with females will rant and rave about it, while a TRUE master of taking the “red pill” will not even have a second thought about his choice to “go his own way”…. It is ABSOLUTELY TRUE that what most MGTOW men are doing is analogous to a bully stealing their lunch money and the victim saying, “Oh, I didn’t want to eat lunch today anyway.”, as they try to minimize the truth, that they are not in control….

Power and control…. The difference between an honest MGTOW, me, and a dishonest MGTOW is that I am willing to admit the truth that I resent that women have used me because I was weak; and dishonest MGTOW are refusing to admit that they have a weakness for women. In other words, pseudo-MGTOW are victims, and are trying to use “going their own way” as a passive-aggressive “Take that, ladies who have hurt me!”, and what really p~~~es them off is if the ladies don’t care…

The ultimate, and what I like about MGTOW, is that the concept is to reach a state of not needing or caring at all, to the point where you don’t even have to discuss it.

More and more men are realizing that something is wrong and in my case I am here because I was a nice guy who took so much verbal abuse I snapped and went to war with a woman and learned of something inside me I wasn’t aware of and went through an intense personal development journey around the world.  Crazy life story.

But when it comes to women, its just a brain we are dealing with.  It was taught things, just like the white knights which I use to be a member of.  It was taught.  So Its not women to blame, its the modern garden variety women you run into everyday and what they’ve been taught they can do.  And because they process more emotions that us me, the results for us is highly unpredictable.  For women, each emotion is almost a different personality so what was said when she was happy doesn’t transfer to when she’s mad.  For men you can assess the data on your phone, tablet, smart watch, and computer.  For women its different documents for each system with no cloud sync.

But as I sad in the beginning, all living being are looking for well being and right now for a man the risk of unhappiness is very high when dealing with the modern woman in the traditional ways of dating, marriage, live in girlfriend etc… the drama that can enter your life isn’t worth the gains.  you’d have a better chance of profit building daycares in Japan right now.