The reason I ask this question is because there are a FEW guys who seem to have a decent marriage. The number might not be huge, but the number does seem to exist. Or are these guys who seem to be sort of happily married just putting on a facade?

Is the number of “good women” out there really at zero or close to zero? And on this topic, what DEFINES a good woman anyway?

I think it’s more likely that: a hundred years ago, it was a reasonably fair deal, and very much necessary for both parties in any case. Lately, it’s become a crap deal, but for a while, there were still takers among the male population based on both herd mentality and the inability to see what a crap deal it is. However, among younger men, the ‘crappiness’ of the deal has become more apparent, herd mentality is not holding the influence it once did, and the concept of marriage as an attractive option for the average man is just dying away. Younger guys are just not taking that bait, and they aren’t responding to shame. The entire direction of the herd is shifting. Although it isn’t happening as fast as I would like it to, the shifts in thinking among younger guys IS happening… and it’s happening among enormous numbers of them.

As for the number of marriages that are 40 or more years old, I would say that in order to be that old, they had to have formed at a time when it was not such a crap deal. But I also know that many of them survive only because of the cost of escaping them, not for the benefits they bring to the men who are trapped in them by that cost of escape.

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No. We are not unlucky. Some listen to other’s experiences because we are wiser than most. Other’s share their experiences because they are more empathetic than most.

I decided to go fishing today so I just loaded up and went. There was no arguing or drama. I got skunked. My only hook up slipped off the hook. A bad day fishing is better than a good day with a woman.

Go to the mall or Target or Walmart and look at the guys walking around with shopping with their women with tombstones in their eyes. Go the grocery store and listen to the woman bitch about her husband putting the groceries  away ‘wrong’ in the car. Go watch a married guy cutting the grass on Saturday or being dragged to something he does’t want to do during his free time, check out the “kill me” look in his eyes.

Having a woman cost money, free time and your mental well being. For what? Mediocre sex once in awhile? Pass.

The moment their long-term financial livelihood has been established via the metaphorical loaded gun to a man’s head, she will emerge and show her true AWALT nature.

Any man who thinks he knows a NAWALT must understand that while she may SEEM NAWALT, at ANY point in time, she CAN and WILL become an AWALT . That should be more than enough for you to keep your distance.

MGTOW are neither lucky nor unlucky.  We are simply the ones who won’t waste money on lottery tickets because we understand the mathematics of basic probability.

DoinMyOwnThing40 wrote:

Because, if all women sucked, then wouldn’t MGTOW have millions of members?

But we already do, even if they don’t know it.  Three out of every four men can’t be wrong.

I also know a few couples in the 30-50 range that have what I’d consider to be a good marriage.  The thing all of these marriages have in common is the men take literally 0 s~~~ from the women.  They want something, they go buy it, they want to go some where, they say see ya later woman I’ll be back in 6 hours.  Yeah they spend time with the kids and wife, and the wife gets a girl day once in a while, but its definitely not like those s~~~ty lopsided relationships where the guys aren’t allowed friends, hobbies, or guy days without a total s~~~ storm from the wife.

Its kind of like the bully in an elementary school type relationship.  If he pushes you and you turn around and punch him in the mouth, he’ll never push you again.  If he pushes you and you just take it, the next day he pushes you a little harder.  Its like a few guys give the wife that “punch in the mouth” and they realize pushing him isn’t going to work, and every time they try to give him a push they get punched again(just figuratively) so they actually turn into normal people.  It seems a lot like they found a unicorn…but at the same time I’d fully expect the unicorn to trample them if they ever turned into manginas.

So to answer the OP…I don’t think we are really unlucky…I think its just a numbers game.  If 1 in 10 women have some unicorn potential, and 9 out of 10 unicorns will trample a mangina without a second thought…its just not good odds when most men are manginas, and most women aren’t unicorns.  You can do your half by not ever turning into a bitch, but you still have to roll the dice on finding a woman who isn’t f~~~ed up beyond repair.  I wouldn’t call it being unlucky, I’d just think of it as taking the safe bet.

We’ve got a bunch of different guys with different experiences, needs, and expectations so that may vary.  So, lets back up to the initial reason we get married.  It’s because we are in love and (I believe that I’m speaking for men here) we have the expectation that the reason we fell in love still exist.

Humor, strength, intelligence, wit, kindness, respect.

I personally believe that the last one is the most important but, respect cannot exist without the integrity on both parts.

DoinMyOwnThing40 wrote:

The reason I ask this question is because there are a FEW guys who seem to have a decent marriage.

Emphasis on the word “seem”.  It would have seemed that I has a good marriage because when when my ex and I were out in public she interacted with me with a degree of respect (see the integrity clause).  I believe that she had to take the time to trot out her representative and give the illusion to her family and friends that she was in a happy marriage/family.

For my part, I woke up most every morning and swallowed a fistful of blue pills because realizing the truth tied my stomach in to knots.  That my wife was actually a self-serving narcissist with an agenda that would never be published let alone rationally spoken aloud.  All I had to do was picture myself an old man and ask myself if I wanted her face to be the last thing I saw before gasping my final breath?

What actually “seems” to be true may not necessarily be the truth.  If you look closer you may see that the smiles are fractured and the eyes are giving a look of quiet desperation.

I just know that when calculating off the top of my head from 9 friends and family members (including myself), there have been 19 marriages and 11 divorces.  That’s a marriage rate of 211% and a divorce rate of 122%.  Go ahead and take the chance.  I double dare you.