This is also what bothers me. Women know when we are attached and when we’re ready to leave a relationship, I don’t know how they do it. They know our buttons, so they can make us feel bad. And what’s worse is that they actually find those buttons even if they’re not visible at first. I REALLY HATE THIS and I’m really scared of it. So PLEASE tell me how to have the upper hand in a relationship and be in a position to make HER feel bad instead? I mean, I won’t exercise this power, but I would love to be in a position of power you know?

Also, is it possible to recognize and avoid manipulation? If so, please enlighten me. I don’t want to believe that I’m handicapped as a man, even though it may be true. I don’t want her to MAKE me think that I’m in control but really it’s her. In other words I don’t want to think that something was my idea even though it was hers. Please elaborate on this too.

Finally, I’d like to add that I have no plans of being in a relationship for more than 4 months as of now. Though I cannot deny that I may be blinded by love and fear of losing her. But I’m still ready to brave the waters. Thanks in advance!

So PLEASE tell me how to have the upper hand in a relationship and be in a position to make HER feel bad instead? I mean, I won’t exercise this power, but I would love to be in a position of power you know?

Whoever cares the least, wins. It’s not just a line, either. Control is an illusion, but if you want power? Whoever cares the least, wins.

Women falsely accusing men of harassment when a man compliments them and the women decide they doesn’t like him.  Slap that on a potential criminal record and you have a serious issue at hand.  Job loss is only one thing.

I see sex the same way.  Feels amazing, but if the woman regrets it later, she’s given so much power these days that she could easily call that initially consensual act an act of rape instead.

they can be pretty good at it since they’re more in tune with their emotions or whatever and thus know us better than we know ourselves.

Hey look, with all due respect and all..speak for yourself will ya?

You may not be in tune with your own feeling and frankly I don’t have any problem with that, everyone is different, everyone is unique. But just stop generalising like a feminist and saying that women are more in tune with their emotions than men. How can you say that? Have you done any research in this field? Even if you did, unless you test subject was each and every man in this world its still a generalisation.

Look what you are going through is nothing exclusive. We all have been there, done that or are still at it. Even I dream of a day I’ll find that perfect girl, perfect female who considers herself a human first and then a woman. Someone who truly understands what men got through and more importantly understands me. Cherishes my strengths while at the same time accepting my weaknesses and all that, just as I would.

And lets say for arguments sake that I do at some point of time find someone like that. Then I’d definitely consider getting into a relationship with her but being a MGTOW that I am instead of just taking a leap of faith aiming for that stack of hay, I will make sure she knows that nothing she can say or do will ever make me stop going my own way. If she can respect that then great else too bad.

But I guess I’m too old for that sort of nonsense any more…

But the best part of M G T O W is the T. Its your life, your choice. Whatever you do, just don’t stop taking the Red pill.

Dayrep wrote:

So PLEASE tell me how to have the upper hand in a relationship and be in a position to make HER feel bad instead? I mean, I won’t exercise this power, but I would love to be in a position of power you know?

It really shouldn’t be about power.  It should be about freedom.  Especially the freedom to bail when the time comes.  If you are free to do that then you already have all the power you need.

Look guys, Sobriety is great but I just can’t control my urge to inject myself with HERoine. I not only like being injected by HERoine dealers, I also like it when they’re nice and help you out with emotional stuff or give advice…. they can be pretty good at it since they’re more in tune with their emotions or whatever and thus know us better than we know ourselves. Everytime I have a deep conversation with a HERoine dealer, I’m connecting with, she makes me introspect and often some good comes of it!

 
This is also what bothers me. HERoine dealers know when we are addicted and when we’re ready to clean up, I don’t know how they do it. They know our buttons, so they can make us feel bad. And what’s worse is that they actually find those buttons even if they’re not visible at first. I REALLY HATE THIS and I’m really scared of it. So PLEASE tell me how to have the upper hand in a relationship with a HERoine dealer and be in a position to make a HERoine dealer feel bad instead? I mean, I won’t exercise this power, but I would love to be in a position of power you know?
 
Also, is it possible to recognize and avoid manipulation by a HERoine dealer? If so, please enlighten me. I don’t want to believe that I’m addicted as a man, even though it may be true. I don’t want a HERoine dealer to MAKE me think that I’m in control but really it’s HERoine. In other words I don’t want to think that something was my idea even though it was a HERoine dealer’s. Please elaborate on this too.
 
Finally, I’d like to add that I have no plans of being addicted to HERoine for more than 4 months as of now. Though I cannot deny that I may be blinded by addiction and fear of losing HERoine. But I’m still ready to brave the waters. Thanks in advance!

Tell me what is the most appropriate advice should I give to your post?

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dayrep wrote:</div>
So PLEASE tell me how to have the upper hand in a relationship and be in a position to make HER feel bad instead? I mean, I won’t exercise this power, but I would love to be in a position of power you know?

Whoever cares the least, wins. It’s not just a line, either. Control is an illusion, but if you want power? Whoever cares the least, wins.

So you’re saying that I’ll set myself up for failure and damage if I continue this “I want to be in a relationship” attitude? Fair enough, but how do I rid myself of this need? Women are so good at connecting with on an emotional level for a short amount of time! (imo)

Anonymous wrote:

Don’t get me wrong, sex and companionship can feel pretty nice, but the way I avoid it is thinking about how much risk there is involved. Women falsely accusing men of harassment when a man compliments them and the women decide they doesn’t like him. Slap that on a potential criminal record and you have a serious issue at hand. Job loss is only one thing. I see sex the same way. Feels amazing, but if the woman regrets it later, she’s given so much power these days that she could easily call that initially consensual act an act of rape instead.

I have taken those things into consideration and I’m still ready to go for it. I guess I’m stupid. But you know what they say? Love is blind! lol.

If you can create and maintain some strategy for an escape plan that will accomplish all of this, then you can get in and out of a relationship without a great deal of risk. When you’ve come up with this plan, please share it here. I suspect that if you can come up with such a plan, you may find that there are very few women still willing to get into a relationship with you. And as I think of it, no heroine dealers will want anything to do with you either,… and for the exact same reasons. You savvy now?

Dayrep, if you have made up your mind, then make this list: create an exit strategy from the relationship that will allow you to protect yourself financially create an exit strategy that will allow you to protect yourself legally create an exit strategy that will allow you to protect yourself socially create an exit strategy that will allow you to protect yourself professionally create an exit strategy that will allow you to protect yourself medically create an exit strategy that will allow you to protect yourself emotionally If you can create and maintain some strategy for an escape plan that will accomplish all of this, then you can get in and out of a relationship without a great deal of risk. When you’ve come up with this plan, please share it here. I suspect that if you can come up with such a plan, you may find that there are very few women still willing to get into a relationship with you.

Quoting something from the movie Ocean’s Thirteen:

Roman Nagel: Now, back to Macro. What is your exit strategy? The players won’t be in on it, so they’ll all think it’s their lucky night, but you’ll never get them out of there with their winnings, they’re going to gamble it all back. That’s Vegas and that’s your problem.

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dayrep wrote:</div>
they can be pretty good at it since they’re more in tune with their emotions or whatever and thus know us better than we know ourselves.

Hey look, with all due respect and all..speak for yourself will ya? You may not be in tune with your own feeling and frankly I don’t have any problem with that, everyone is different, everyone is unique. But just stop generalising like a feminist and saying that women are more in tune with their emotions than men. How can you say that? Have you done any research in this field? Even if you did, unless you test subject was each and every man in this world its still a generalisation. Look what you are going through is nothing exclusive. We all have been there, done that or are still at it. Even I dream of a day I’ll find that perfect girl, perfect female who considers herself a human first and then a woman. Someone who truly understands what men got through and more importantly understands me. Cherishes my strengths while at the same time accepting my weaknesses and all that, just as I would. And lets say for arguments sake that I do at some point of time find someone like that. Then I’d definitely consider getting into a relationship with her but being a MGTOW that I am instead of just taking a leap of faith aiming for that stack of hay, I will make sure she knows that nothing she can say or do will ever make me stop going my own way. If she can respect that then great else too bad. But I guess I’m too old for that sort of nonsense any more… But the best part of M G T O W is the T. Its your life, your choice. Whatever you do, just don’t stop taking the Red pill.

Well, thanks for your comment and insight. What got me thinking about this was Sandman’s latest video and a comment by him about how women seem to know more about male nature than we do ourselves. Yes there’s no doubt that I’m generalizing because I assumed that he was generalizing too. However I never considered the possibility that this is untrue. What do you think about this generalization? It’s true that I’m not in tune with my emotions, and maybe that’s why I’m insecure about this and being taken advantage of.

The thing is that I have found a girl like that. But I’m afraid that she will know my weaknesses too and be able to use them to manipulate me. BTW in case you were wondering, I’ll never stop taking the red pill. Life has become so much better after knowing what’s up, so to speak.

BrainPilot wrote:

Dayrep, How about I offer to inject you with some black tar heroin? I can line up for you at least 100 junkies who will assure you that it feels way better than anything a woman can do for you. Just hold out your arm and tell me how much of it you want? To help you understand how your post sounds to me right now, I’m going to make a few edits and let you read it back to yourself. Then you can tell me how you’d like me to respond. Here is your post with my edits… Look guys, Sobriety is great but I just can’t control my urge to inject myself with HERoine. I not only like being injected by HERoine dealers, I also like it when they’re nice and help you out with emotional stuff or give advice…. they can be pretty good at it since they’re more in tune with their emotions or whatever and thus know us better than we know ourselves. Everytime I have a deep conversation with a HERoine dealer, I’m connecting with, she makes me introspect and often some good comes of it! This is also what bothers me. HERoine dealers know when we are addicted and when we’re ready to clean up, I don’t know how they do it. They know our buttons, so they can make us feel bad. And what’s worse is that they actually find those buttons even if they’re not visible at first. I REALLY HATE THIS and I’m really scared of it. So PLEASE tell me how to have the upper hand in a relationship with a HERoine dealer and be in a position to make a HERoine dealer feel bad instead? I mean, I won’t exercise this power, but I would love to be in a position of power you know? Also, is it possible to recognize and avoid manipulation by a HERoine dealer? If so, please enlighten me. I don’t want to believe that I’m addicted as a man, even though it may be true. I don’t want a HERoine dealer to MAKE me think that I’m in control but really it’s HERoine. In other words I don’t want to think that something was my idea even though it was a HERoine dealer’s. Please elaborate on this too. Finally, I’d like to add that I have no plans of being addicted to HERoine for more than 4 months as of now. Though I cannot deny that I may be blinded by addiction and fear of losing HERoine. But I’m still ready to brave the waters. Thanks in advance! Tell me what is the most appropriate advice should I give to your post?

Well first of all +1. That really made me laugh quite a bit! XD

I guess the main reason I want to be in a “relationship” is because I want to take advantage of women’s intuition to sort my emotional s~~~ out and get sex. But there’s also some solace in knowing that someone is there for you, supports you and actually cares. Though I may be getting delusional at this point. lol. You’re absolutely right that it’s like a heroine addiction, but it comes with it’s benefits and isn’t as dangerous if the girl is decent enough. However there’s no doubt that you have made me really rethink my decision. Thanks for that! The last part of my OP, when correctly translated by you, really opened my eyes.

However the part about manipulation was wrongly translated. Deception is something that women are masters at, and if I want anything to do with them I will have to learn how to stop her from doing that, and making me think that stuff is my decision when it’s actually a cleverly thought out plan by her.

BrainPilot wrote:

Dayrep, if you have made up your mind, then make this list: create an exit strategy from the relationship that will allow you to protect yourself financially create an exit strategy that will allow you to protect yourself legally create an exit strategy that will allow you to protect yourself socially create an exit strategy that will allow you to protect yourself professionally create an exit strategy that will allow you to protect yourself medically create an exit strategy that will allow you to protect yourself emotionally If you can create and maintain some strategy for an escape plan that will accomplish all of this, then you can get in and out of a relationship without a great deal of risk. When you’ve come up with this plan, please share it here. I suspect that if you can come up with such a plan, you may find that there are very few women still willing to get into a relationship with you.

Thanks for this, but I really don’t think there’s a way to create an exit strategy legally and socially with the current gynocentrism. I will just have to have faith in the system and try and interact with the officers/lawyers/judges in the best possible way should it ever come to this. Or am I completely wrong?

My main concern is the emotional hurt that she has the power to inflict on my by finding and knowing my buttons. That is something I need to make an escape strategy for. I think as @total_lee rightly pointed out, I should start by caring less.