MGTOWIllegal Immigration, Insourcing, Outsourcing, and Automation killing society? – MGTOW https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/illegal-immigration-insourcing-outsourcing-and-automation-killing-society/feed/ Mon, 08 Jun 2020 16:28:07 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.5.14-6684 en-US https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/illegal-immigration-insourcing-outsourcing-and-automation-killing-society/page/234/#post-87839 <![CDATA[Illegal Immigration, Insourcing, Outsourcing, and Automation killing society?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/illegal-immigration-insourcing-outsourcing-and-automation-killing-society/page/234/#post-87839 Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:07:17 +0000 FreeGhost Agree or disagree? Also, are younger generations enduring this dynamic worse than the past (spoiled) baby boomer generation? In advance, sorry butt hurt baby boomers.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/illegal-immigration-insourcing-outsourcing-and-automation-killing-society/#post-87850 <![CDATA[Reply To: Illegal Immigration, Insourcing, Outsourcing, and Automation killing society?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/illegal-immigration-insourcing-outsourcing-and-automation-killing-society/#post-87850 Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:24:51 +0000 Just a Man They are illegal aliens not illegal immigrants. Immigrant denotes a form of legality, which they are in no way, shape or form legal. Please remember, thank you.

Philosophy, the female repellent

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/illegal-immigration-insourcing-outsourcing-and-automation-killing-society/#post-87854 <![CDATA[Reply To: Illegal Immigration, Insourcing, Outsourcing, and Automation killing society?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/illegal-immigration-insourcing-outsourcing-and-automation-killing-society/#post-87854 Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:28:44 +0000 bcroger I think that we have bigger problems.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/illegal-immigration-insourcing-outsourcing-and-automation-killing-society/#post-87868 <![CDATA[Reply To: Illegal Immigration, Insourcing, Outsourcing, and Automation killing society?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/illegal-immigration-insourcing-outsourcing-and-automation-killing-society/#post-87868 Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:43:18 +0000 FreeGhost You clearly understand the standpoint I am making, yet you want to argue semantics? What does “illegal” denote by the way? The word that precedes “immigrants”?

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/illegal-immigration-insourcing-outsourcing-and-automation-killing-society/#post-87871 <![CDATA[Reply To: Illegal Immigration, Insourcing, Outsourcing, and Automation killing society?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/illegal-immigration-insourcing-outsourcing-and-automation-killing-society/#post-87871 Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:47:50 +0000 FreeGhost Such as…I am all ears.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/illegal-immigration-insourcing-outsourcing-and-automation-killing-society/#post-87909 <![CDATA[Reply To: Illegal Immigration, Insourcing, Outsourcing, and Automation killing society?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/illegal-immigration-insourcing-outsourcing-and-automation-killing-society/#post-87909 Fri, 24 Jul 2015 00:32:58 +0000 FrankOne Automation has increased productivity.  Even 200 years ago, textiles were expensive to produce.  Think of what a shirt cost now, vs then, in adjusted dollars.  On the other hand, automation and specialized skills have increased the wage/salary gap between unskilled and highly skilled labor.  Even so, unskilled labor is still doing MUCH better than it did in the pre-industrial era.  i.e. better medical care, air conditioning, transportation, etc.  I’m probably rather biased about this, as I’ve literally WORKED in automation for a good part of my career, automating industrial control systems (Distributed Control Systems), which reduced the number of men required to produce products.  Is that beneficial?  I’d say yes — industry is hurting in America, so costs must be kept down or plants shut down resulting in even more job losses than this automation…  On the other hand, I have certainly considered that further automation also means fewer factory jobs for those with high school educations, so it’s screwing those at the low end of the job market.

America is a nation of immigrants.  If Government didn’t set strict limits on immigrants, they’d BE legal.  Immigration is NOT a problem unless you run a WELFARE STATE as we do in the US.  In a welfare State, the potential exists to pay out (in benefits) more than you pay in (in taxes).  If the government shrank we could accommodate more immigrants.  In my mind, if you are employed and paying taxes, you should be eligible for citizenship (work visa) immediately, and if you keep it up, for, say, 5 years, you ought to be eligible for citizenship.  Economics is not a zero-sum game; there isn’t a fixed amount of wealth.  Population and GDP both grew over time in the US.  More people means more production AND more consumption…

I also like the diversity of immigration.  I go to the Taco Truck at lunch and get served a unique meal by people that can barely speak english and I pay what I would for fast food — much better than the monolithic s~~~ the chains dish out — ‘Americanized’ mexican food.  Or I go to a Mediterranean restaurant and have lunch followed by some delicious Baklava — compare that to the crap pastries served up at Chain$.  It also means not everyone thinks alike.  I concede I like some immigrant groups more than others — e.g. Mexicans are pretty hard-working generally; first wave Ethiopians also hard working; second wave generally lazy (the ones let in for political asylum; many collect welfare checks from Uncle Sugar).  I’ve never met an Israeli immigrant who wasn’t a kick-ass hard worker… Same for Russians… I also get torqued off at a lot of stereotypes, especially about Mexicans.  Who is out harvesting the fruit at the crack of dawn and kicking ass in the construction trades?

 

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/illegal-immigration-insourcing-outsourcing-and-automation-killing-society/#post-87915 <![CDATA[Reply To: Illegal Immigration, Insourcing, Outsourcing, and Automation killing society?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/illegal-immigration-insourcing-outsourcing-and-automation-killing-society/#post-87915 Fri, 24 Jul 2015 00:42:48 +0000 FreeGhost In the 1940’s and 1950’s Americans “kicked ass” working manual labor professions. The illegal population demographically was very minute during this era, yet we were incredibly prosperous as a nation. There is nothing wrong with automating jobs, as long as the the general populous can endure these conditions in an economic perspective, unless we chose a depopulation program. Frank, we obviously both see that human labor will be obsolete in the near future at a wide scale. Please share more to the pompous members of this site that don’t realize they will be soon rendered “obsolete” by Watson or another autonomous machine.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/illegal-immigration-insourcing-outsourcing-and-automation-killing-society/#post-87952 <![CDATA[Reply To: Illegal Immigration, Insourcing, Outsourcing, and Automation killing society?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/illegal-immigration-insourcing-outsourcing-and-automation-killing-society/#post-87952 Fri, 24 Jul 2015 01:27:57 +0000 FrankOne Freeghost: Yes, we kicked ass post-WWII, in part because Western Europe’s industrial economy, and especially Germany’s, was decimated.  But GDP also grew during the waves of immigration preceding WWII.  Those immigrants were warm bodies to fill our factories.

I also believe fiscal and monetary policy have much to do with prosperity.  Keynes won the philosophical battle, Milton Friedman lost, and there are negative consequences of this…

I also should have added I don’t like immigrants who make no effort at all to assimilate — to learn our language and respect our values — e.g. religious freedom.  I believe we should be able to draw cartoons of the Prophet or the Pope without anybody getting firebombed or any Inquisitions.  And to me the most important value is WORKING, lazy people that want to collect benefits ought to get deported… I also like that religion is fragmented in America — yes, it’s nominally Christian, but no single denomination predominates — when one religion predominates I tend to think it can lead to stifling freedom.  Illegal?  I have no problem granting INSTANT citizenship to a Mexican that’s lived here a few years and is WORKING and not a LEACH… Or any other immigrant.

Letting in the best, the brightest, and the most motivated used to give us an advantage.  Closing the borders to people that  want to work, to me, seems like bad policy.  Sure, some of the money I spend at the Taco Stand probably goes to the employees’ Mexican relatives (they actually believe in family values), but much stays in America for their homes, food, savings, electricity, etc.

I think the US economy has shifted more to a service economy rather than manufacturing.  Working in manufacturing as I do, it’s sad to see.

I think we will eventually be rendered obsolete as far as the need to work, but not sure if it will be soon — maybe tens to hundreds of years, but not thousands in my opinion.

At 45, I’m old, and probably not as sympathetic to young people who can’t find work as I should be.  In my opinion, the economy stinks for most millenials and anyone with low skills.

 

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/illegal-immigration-insourcing-outsourcing-and-automation-killing-society/#post-88013 <![CDATA[Reply To: Illegal Immigration, Insourcing, Outsourcing, and Automation killing society?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/illegal-immigration-insourcing-outsourcing-and-automation-killing-society/#post-88013 Fri, 24 Jul 2015 01:44:05 +0000 FreeGhost Frank – we don’t allow the best and brightest to become legal citizens in this country just refer to the statistics of denied Europeans that apply for legal American citizenship in this country. There are many brilliant European architects and engineers from Europe that are denied citizenship to this country, yet the illegals pour in like water running downhill. My uncle is a 7 figure plumber in my state, who also operates many new construction facilities. He (like many affluent Americans) exploits these illegal immigrant labor and furthers his fortune on the backs on these near slaves. In turn, my desperate millennial cousins and his friends can’t find work if they sold a kidney.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/illegal-immigration-insourcing-outsourcing-and-automation-killing-society/#post-88022 <![CDATA[Reply To: Illegal Immigration, Insourcing, Outsourcing, and Automation killing society?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/illegal-immigration-insourcing-outsourcing-and-automation-killing-society/#post-88022 Fri, 24 Jul 2015 01:51:30 +0000 There’s a lot to be written about this. But it might take too long to do it, plus ultimately doesn’t matter.

America has come back before, but I don’t think it will again.

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