I hold the door open for people, male, female, elderly or whatever if I’m on my way out and they are headed inside, it’s just a habit I have and I’m not all that worried about what it does or doesn’t make me. If someone expects me to hold the door open for them by indicating so I won’t oblige them, they can f~~~ off for all I care. I’m not doing it to be praised, it is just the civil thing to do and I’m not expending any extra effort.

What if I see this girl on the news tomorrow and it turned out she got killed or raped while waiting for help?

Defeating your conscience is a MGTOW learning to walk. She’s not your goddam responsibility. You made her your responsibility. You assumed responsibility – virtually “by the book”. Bet your ass she doesn’t give a s~~~ about you. So why do you give a s~~~ about her? And as long as you’re playing “what if”…. “what if” she decided to play victim and say YOU raped her? Then YOU would be on the news the next morning and your life would be over on no more than her WHIM. Do you think she gives a s~~~?

That’s how you defeat your conscience. Easily.

Why don’t you expect her to inconvenience herself for you too? I would say OK tomorrow you will spend the same amount of time making me dinner. the LEAST she could do is take your number, offer to bake you a pie and drive it to your house, buy you a burger, or throw some f~~~ing dry noodles in a pot of boiling water for you. If a woman has the nerve to think you exist to assist her… you MAKE her do this. Exploit her back.

That kind of expectation would seem ridiculous to you, right? You’re happy to help her for nothing. And that’s the difference between men and women. A woman behaves like you should “prove yourself”. She expects a man to be established and have a business and a 6-figure salary, and at least a BMW before she will consider meeting him for a cup of coffee. But she herself drives a beat up Honda, and makes $29,000 as a waitress. What women expect you to be (and bring) she doesn’t even expect of HERSELF.

Try “no” next time. What do you think her reaction would be? One of horror and disgust.

This means she expects you to help her for no thanks at all. In her mind, NOT doing it is a -1. You would be “an asshole”. And the only reason you do it, is to NOT be an asshole. That’s how men go through life. Constantly “proving themselves” just to stay at zero! It’s up to you to end that s~~~. Your assistance and huminatarian effort will count as a +1, or you will not do it at all.

Since helping her is not a +1….. and NOT doing it is a -1, then there’s your reason for never doing it again.

You ask what I would do. And that’s my attitude now.
As far as women are concerned, my assistance and huminatarian effort will count as a +1, or I will not do it at all.

I wil not help some bitch just to “not look like an asshole”. That’s the WRONG reason. A colleague of mine was having a smoke outside. A homeless guy asked for one, and offered him 50 cents for it. He was holding two quarters in his hand outstretched. My friend gave him 2 cigarettes and told him to keep the 50 cents. But when we were outside in front a bar some weeks ago…. a girl dressed to the nines swinging a COACH purse asked for a cigarette offering NOTHING. When he said “no” she looked at us like we were being “rude”.

That’s what I’m talkin”bout.

THE MANIPULATED MAN

OPENING : “THE SLAVE’S HAPPINESS”

The lemon-colored MG skids across the road and the woman driver brings it to a somewhat uncertain halt. She gets out and finds her left front tire flat. Without wasting a moment she prepares to fix it: she looks towards the passing cars as if expecting someone. Recognizing this standard international sign of woman in distress (‘weak female let down by male technology’), a station wagon draws up. The driver sees what is wrong at a glance and says comfortingly, “Don’t worry. We’ll fix that in a jiffy” To prove his determination, he asks for her jack. He does not ask if she is capable of changing the tire herself because he knows – she is about thirty, smartly dressed and made-up – that she is not. Since she cannot find a jack, he fetches his own, together with his other tools. Five minutes later the job is done and the punctured tire properly stowed. His hands are covered with grease. She offers him an embroidered handkerchief, which he politely refuses. He has a rag for such occasions in his tool box. The woman thanks him profusely, apologizing for her`typically feminine’ helplessness. She might have been there till dusk, she says, had he not stopped. He makes no reply and, as she gets back into the car, gallantly shuts the door for her. Through the wound-down window he advises her to have her tire patched at once and she promises to get her garage man to see to it that very evening. Then she drives off.

As the man collects his tools and goes back to his own car, he wishes he could wash his hands. His shoes – he has been standing in the mud while changing the tire – are not as clean as they should be (he is a salesman). What is more, he will have to hurry to keep his next appointment. As he starts the engine he thinks, `Women! One’s more stupid than the next’. He wonders what she would have done if he had not been there to help. He puts his foot on the accelerator and drives off – faster than usual. There is the delay to make up. After a while he starts to hum to himself. In a way, he is happy.

Almost any man would have behaved in the same manner – and so would most women. Without thinking, simply because men are men and women so different from them, a woman will make use of a man whenever there is an opportunity. What else could the woman have done when her car broke down? She has been taught to get a man to help. Thanks to his knowledge he was able to change the tire quickly – and at no cost to herself. True, he ruined his clothes, put his business in jeopardy, and endangered his own life by driving too fast afterwards. Had he found something else wrong with her car, however, he would have repaired that, too. That is what his knowledge of cars is for. Why should a woman learn to change a flat when the opposite sex (half the world’s population) is able and willing to do it for her?

Women let men work for them, think for them and take on their responsibilities – in fact, they exploit them. Yet, since men are strong, intelligent and imaginative, while women are weak, unimaginative, and stupid, why isn’t it men who exploit women?

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@Ignis That is what I was thinking on the way home, it was no big deal. I grew up in a poor area and everyone had crappy vehicles. It became a sort of unwritten that if you saw someone having car trouble you helped them. Or at the least you helped them push it to a parking lot off of the road. Anytime someone broke down in an intersection I would instinctively stop and help push them to a safe spot.

@KeyMaster I understand what you are saying and it makes sense to me. I guess I was thinking of my own sanity more than anything. I just did not want something like that on my conscience. I will just chalk it up to a perfect storm of a conditioned response to a broken down vehicle and not wanting to feel bad. If I am being honest even if it was a guy I would not have asked for anything in return or have expected anything, if something was offered I would have resisted. Thinking on this now it is making me question how many more conditioned responses I have on being a utility. I will have to give “The Manipulated Man” a read.

Thank you guys for your opinions on this. It seems I still have much more to learn.

Before I say more on this, I will drop this idea in your head and let you think about it:

Have you ever considered YOU have MUCH more reason to be afraid of HER? The odds of you getting “raped” are actually greater! The odds of her criminalizing you – even if you were a badged Police officer – are more of a reality than anything you’re worried she will have to go through. So how can you care more about her well-being than your OWN?

MGTOW aren’t just MGTOW because it’s cool. I mean it.

I guess I was thinking of my own sanity more than anything. I just did not want something like that on my conscience.

Here is a woman’s “conscience”. Even when she is totally in the wrong and knows it.

http://www.mgtow.com/video/false-rape-thwarted-by-police-camera/

I will just chalk it up to a perfect storm of a conditioned response to a broken down vehicle and not wanting to feel bad. If I am being honest even if it was a guy I would not have asked for anything in return or have expected anything, if something was offered I would have resisted.

Another quote of the week. Of course you would. We are ALL BUILT THAT WAY. To our own demise and detriment. You’re just a good guy like all the rest of us. But it’s time for you to accept, you have been socially conditioned that way – on purpose. Women are counting on this from you. You’re actually an “asshole” if you are NOT like that. Have you considered that? We have all have been socially conditioned to the point of helping some female who can ruin a man’s life LEGALLY by opening her f~~~ing mouth – with no concept of right and wrong.

To me, that kind of situation is like watching a toddler play with a loaded gun. Horrifying.

OldAtHeart nailed it.

Jambear made a bad mistake. You got WAY to close to a strange female who got herself into questionable circumstances. Most femes are not to tightly wrapped in the head and your finger prints are all over that chicks car. This feme definitely belongs in the “not too tightly wrapped” category by driving “questionable” areas without maintaining her car.  If something were to actually happen to her you shared a same location, time slot, with her. If some days later she gets clobbered by someone for some other problem and wakes up in the street, She might even remember your face for the police sketch artist….

wonko stays the hell away from strange dainty females like the plague; especially under questionable circumstances.  She has a cell phone and  towing service is only a phone call away. It will cost her a few dollars. Why should you take that income away from some poor guy just trying to make his living? She needs to learn the same lesson that every guy has to. Either pay the maintenance OR pay for the tow truck and then pay the maintenance. Yes wonko has had the “opportunity” to help the “automotive damsel in distress”. He just quietly approaches his own little truck from the direction farthest away from her. And he is proud to say that he even got in on the passenger side  once because the damsel’s car was on the drivers side; slid himself over and started his exceptionally quiet engine. Note wonkos engine purrs like a kitten because he constantly babies it with new parts and excessive  maintenance. He then carefully backed out and with jumper cables clearly visible in the back of his truck camper and drove off.

be careful out there fellas  – wonko

Not every woman is going to feminist like. We as MGTOW need to be good people. To pick and choose who to help I think lacks character. I did use to think I won’t ever help women. But I see women helping men and I have experienced myself. Women offering to help me carry heavy things because it was obvious I was taking breaks lifting heavy things. Not one guy offered to help me although several passed by.

I think Feminism actually test my character. Would I get angry and hateful at them? Would I go to their level? Because hate is going to their level and that’s what they want. I can’t be have peace in my life if there is hatred, resentment, fear, etc. I stopped dating women to bring peace into my life but to bring it upon myself.