the crazies are up to their usual crap

These people are f~~~ing bats~~~ insane…. and they all deserve to be p~~~ed on.

While standing UP.

A woman once tried to tell me to leave the toilet seat up as she attempted to belittle all men for not having the “manners” to put it down. But until you are paying 51% of the bills in the home, the f~~~ing toilet seat stays up and there is not a goddam thing a woman can say about it.

Women are NOT PERMITTED to lecture man about the toilet seat, or anything else.

Another example of the American woman thinking she is the greatest. This isn’t surprising coming from New York though. Feminists will say their body their choice, but 2 years ago New York tried to pass a law outlawing the sale of soda sizes that were too big. So you want to dress like a slut, no one has the right to say anything bad about that. You want to buy a 20 oz soda while watching a movie? Nope you don’t have that right. There there are the feminists who have the idea of “legalize drugs people should be able to do what they want with their bodies, ban fast food it is bad for your body”.

I’m not sure I’m a MYGOW but I support the general principle – I’ve been arguing the case against feminist unfairness and its philosophical / logical inconsistencies for decades. I’m homosexual – I don’t know how that sits with MTGOW. I was very active in gay law reform as a tennager in the ’80s, but I ditched the movement in my early 20s because it remained insular and tyrannous towards itself – when you have no rights that’s a valid position, but to continue with it once you have rights is something altogether pathological and toxic. How can one say “I want equality – to be accepted as part of the wider world” but then continue to demand “but I have to be treated differently and live in an isolated community“. And, like feminism, there is a uniform of the body and of the mind – you must look like this, act like this, think this, live here… otherwise you’re not a valid “gay” – I hate the term “gay” – it focuses identity on only sexuality and “the lady protesteth too much methinks” – its not “strong” its just saying it is. I didn’t fight to throw off all the stereotypes – fight my own upbringing, put my family through the struggle to reconcile it, and challenge the wider world’s prejudice – only to accept a whole new set of stereotypes in this season’s fashionable colours.

Anyway, that disclaimer out of the way…

I’ve been very interested in the mens movement of late. Its about time it got some traction.

This is something I posted to Karen Straughn but thought I’d share it here – I hope it gives some food for thought.

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I really appreciate your point of view – you make sense and put forward valid points. I do however find most of the MRM/MTGOW arguments to be reactionary rather than revolutionary – a response to feminism rather than a true alternative response. Much like the (valid IMO) argument that men’s identity and value is insidiously, unnecessarily and unfairly welded to heterosexuality and women’s needs (men are defined by / in relation to women), I see some of the arguments for men’s rights originating from the same economic and modern-occidental assumptions found in feminism (feminism being a tangle of economics, puritan morals, and unresolved Victorian artefacts). MRM is arguing its case as a counter to feminism but argues from the same flawed foundations.

I’m wondering if you’ve investigated a biological / evolutionary / primatological approach to some of your arguments – looking beyond modern occidental civilised culture to a more basic biological approach to some of your arguments. There is new evidence emerging, new arguments and explanations being posited, and a different view of who we really are beginning to form. It challenges so many of the assumptions at the basis of our modern economic Western view of existence and, because these assumptions are the basis for feminism, it challenges feminism too.

To get started, there is a wonderful lecture by Christopher Ryan given at the Sydney Opera House – “Is monogamy unnatural?” Free to download from ABC (Australia) Radio National’s Science Show (The oldest and longest running science programme in the world (Even your own David Suzuki admits its true)): http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/is-monogamy-unnatural3f/5516302

Two books I recommend are:

Sex at Dawn by Christopher Ryan, & Cacilda Jethá

The Bonobo and the Atheist by Frans de Waal

I think they give an excellent perspective for evaluating feminism/gender/society. Traditional systems are collapsing, men are getting done over, and feminism makes no logical sense because the whole premise of the argument is a false one.

I lived with a failed tranny once – a middle aged man with breasts and a bandana – I did to him what I did to my previous feminist flatmate who complained.

They would demand I put the seat up. They would eventually come to the rule “put it back the way it was”. So, one day I removed it. My argument was that it was a man who put it on in the first place so by taking it off I put it back the way it was originally. You know: They couldn’t work out how to put it back on and wouldn’t “dirty” themselves with the task.