MGTOWFemale presence on male behaviour – MGTOW https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/female-presence-on-male-behaviour/feed/ Mon, 08 Jun 2020 20:04:28 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.5.14-6684 en-US https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/female-presence-on-male-behaviour/page/447/#post-19795 <![CDATA[Female presence on male behaviour]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/female-presence-on-male-behaviour/page/447/#post-19795 Wed, 04 Feb 2015 16:13:06 +0000 Tempered My friends completely change around women. They start being upbeat and sort of lose their spontaneity. Their personality changes from genuine to one where they are trying to make themselves look good (in various different ways). It doesn’t even have to be an attractive female for them to change. Before red pill, I would barely notice these vague, subtle but yet very distinguishable phenomenas. Ofcourse, some settings seem to make this behaviour even more pronounced, often times to the point of absurdity. Think bars, clubs and other similar avenues.

Last week I had some beer with two friends at a local bar. It was a thursday, we hadn’t planned it just decided let’s go have some drink. We were discussing politics, economy, technology, just enjoying ourselves and eachothers company. Two females walk in and sit in a table nearby. My friends conversation immediately shifts to what car they plan on buying, what renovation they done on the house, how they are thinking of taking a vacation soon to somewhere exotic. They start hastily drinking their beers at a pace of 3.0x of what they originally were going at. Their postures completely changed.

Thinking back to meetings and even group discussions I had and keep having in academics and work, the very nature of the discussions would change once a female was in the picture. We’d be less willing to agree with eachothers point, the emphasis would start being on whos right instead of what solution would be the best. We would start regurgitating past points instead of coming up with new ones. Almost as if our creativity switch was turned off.

I remember a discussion I had with an older relative of mine years ago. We were discussing secret societies. He being a member of one. At some point the fact that there were only men came up. He told me what he had been told by an older member; “Once you have a female on the board, the inclination of working against one another becomes greater than working together against something.” I just remembered this as of one minute ago, I had never reflected much about what he had said, and I don’t think my relative had either.

I found some interesting links about men behaviour and how it changes around women. I must admit I have picked these biasedly because there were 5x many more articles talking about the importance of having females in meetings, gender diversity on discussions and how a company benefits from having women board directors. I’m naturally very wary about those last statetements. Let me know what you think

I had been thinking about this and decided to put it up here

and some articles I found
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-interacting-with-woman-leave-man-cognitively-impaired/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/beautiful-minds/200905/interacting-women-makes-men-stupid
http://spp.sagepub.com/content/1/1/57.abstract (men risk-taking increases around women)
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/science-men-act-differently-around-women/

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/female-presence-on-male-behaviour/#post-19885 <![CDATA[Reply To: Female presence on male behaviour]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/female-presence-on-male-behaviour/#post-19885 Wed, 04 Feb 2015 23:14:58 +0000 BrainPilot I think you’re right Tempered. Whatever benefits (if any) are gained by having a woman on the team, they are negated and then some by the behavior of that woman, and the behavior she inspires in men around her. It isn’t worth it. I happened to know the ceo of a national retail chain. It was his observation that having one in the office could be tolerable, like the office mascot or token female. But, according to him, as soon as you hire the second, the two of them spend more time, effort and energy trying to back stab and cut each other’s throat than the time, energy and effort they spend trying to help the team work against the other companies with whom their own company competed.

My own belief is that women are not evolutionarily designed or adapted to functioning on a team of anything. The way that women achieved the resources they needed to survive and reproduce never involved them participating on a team. Men, on the other hand, ARE very well designed mentally and emotionally for participating in teams. The historical role of men always made it advantageous for men to participate on teams to achieve the results they needed and man were evolutionarily adapted to it very well. Although feminists would like to bury it, evidence that men are better able to function on teams still exists if you look for it.

As a man, I can walk on to any city park and join a pick up game of basketball, soccer etc with a bunch of men that I have never met…just because I want to play and am willing to be on a team. There are really no mechanisms where women do this. If you look at the Olympic sports most popular among women, you find gymnastics, ice skating, swimming etc… These are sports of one on one competition. If you look at sports most common and popular among men, there are football, basketball, soccer, baseball… all team sports.

In fact, if you ask little boys what they want to be when they grow up, they’ll say things like “I want to play in the NFL, the NBA.. etc.”. They are basically saying they want to be on the team. Little girls will tell you they want to be star ballerina, movie star, model, singer, actress… They don’t see themselves as being on a team or sharing effort and reward with anyone. It’s all about themselves… individually, and they will backstab and cut throat anyone who is in their way. They’ll do it to men, but they’ll do it to each other as well.

Of course there are exceptions. There are female baseball teams (name one if you can) and there are male figure skaters (name of them if you can…). But you can name plenty of female models, gymnasts, singers and actresses…and dozens of male only sports teams.

Basically, there are two challenges demanded by the environment in order for a species to survive. One is securing resources to survive short term (eating). The other is to survive long term (reproducing). Species that divide these two challenges between the genders (vertebrates) advance more rapidly and survive more reliably than species that do not (mushrooms, bacteria, plants, some primitive worms). Corporations are just giant teams of men competing for available resources. The stock market is the score board for this.

Diversity in the work force does not help the species survive, not does it help companies perform better. It just makes women feel ‘equal’ at a task for which they are missing the millions of years of evolutionary adaptation that men have for it. Diversity quotas, gender based affirmative action and the rest are just artificially imposed measures to try to force the same results that would otherwise never exist…

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/female-presence-on-male-behaviour/#post-20238 <![CDATA[Reply To: Female presence on male behaviour]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/female-presence-on-male-behaviour/#post-20238 Fri, 06 Feb 2015 15:40:51 +0000 John Doe Tempered, you are right on.  I have observed alot of this.  I even have seen guys change religions just to impress a girl.

The sexes should be seperated in schools, dorms, workplaces, etc. if any society stability is to take place.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/female-presence-on-male-behaviour/#post-20241 <![CDATA[Reply To: Female presence on male behaviour]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/female-presence-on-male-behaviour/#post-20241 Fri, 06 Feb 2015 16:19:42 +0000 Rennie It w

Tempered, you are right on. I have observed alot of this. I even have seen guys change religions just to impress a girl. The sexes should be seperated in schools, dorms, workplaces, etc. if any society stability is to take place.

That would definitely be a positive step to forcing them to become real ladies again, instead of the horrid things that envy manhood.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/female-presence-on-male-behaviour/#post-20246 <![CDATA[Reply To: Female presence on male behaviour]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/female-presence-on-male-behaviour/#post-20246 Fri, 06 Feb 2015 16:32:19 +0000 Antares I think this is a growing problem in society too. Men form teams to accomplish things, but women are no longer content to let a “men only” group to do ANYTHING. The insist on inserting a woman, regardless if she belongs there or not; and it’s detrimental towards achievement (aside from achieving the token “women can do that too” – which isn’t the same as doing anything productive). It’s not even about the woman doing things as her presence affecting the performance of men.

As a personal note, this is one of the reasons I don’t play MMO games anymore. Things will go fine, then inevitably someone says “I found a guurl to join!”,then it transforms into mooning mangina central. Honestly I don’t even care if a woman joins up (provided she pulls her weight), it’s the pathetic men which annoy the s~~~ out of me.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/female-presence-on-male-behaviour/#post-20452 <![CDATA[Reply To: Female presence on male behaviour]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/female-presence-on-male-behaviour/#post-20452 Sat, 07 Feb 2015 20:01:22 +0000 Think of how boys performance in school is effected by this change that comes over men.

This is from the NYT so has it’s obvious liberal bias but this one sensible comment got through about the difference in boys behaviour when they are mixed with girls versus when they are BGTOW (boys going there own way, not tied to their desks checking their skirts).

“ATLTeacher Atlanta 19 October 2011
What I find interesting in this “Room for Debate” is the obvious lack of teacher and administrator opinion. Contrary to popular opinion, teachers probably have greater insight into educational issues than a researcher or lawyer sitting in an office all day because we spend all day with the students! I teach in a co-ed middle school that is segregated by class. Having taught in both integrated boy/girl classes and segregated classes (in the same school) I am 100% confident that certain students benefit greatly from segregated classes. I teach in a Title I school with 99% African-American students. When the students were (sexually) integrated, there were constant distractions – hitting, playing, wrestling, writing notes, inappropriate and rude comments. When they were separated, the majority of distractions disappeared. Do they still act out or write notes? Sure, but the disruptions are minor and more appropriate for the age group. Both girls and boys are more willing to present and talk in class and are less concerned about appearances.” … “I ask that all these talking heads take a field trip – visit schools in your neighborhood and those not in your neighborhood. See what it looks like in both segregated and integrated classes in both high and low income areas. Spend a day. Ask the teachers what they think … maybe you’ll learn something.”

Then you hear crickets chirping. If there is one thing we can learn from this is that the solution to both the boy and girl problem in schools is sitting right on the women in our societies faces. They can hardly breath due to the foul smell of feminist lardasses.

Do they do anything? No. Do they have things locked up in such a way that we aren’t even allowed to discuss it? Yes.

The next time I hear whining from any MGTOW after seeing what our loving mothers, sisters, wives and daughters do to boys I will puke on my screen. Then I’ll wish I could make the idiot who said it lick it off.

Cheers!

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/female-presence-on-male-behaviour/#post-20460 <![CDATA[Reply To: Female presence on male behaviour]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/female-presence-on-male-behaviour/#post-20460 Sat, 07 Feb 2015 20:42:20 +0000 AussieBloke BrainPilot: “As a man, I can walk on to any city park and join a pick up game of basketball, soccer etc with a bunch of men that I have never met…just because I want to play and am willing to be on a team.”

I just wanted to add my two cents to this comment, I believe that another consideration why this is so easy for men and not women, is because historically men have always used games, sports etc to test themselves against each other in order to determine a number of things.

1. An individual’s value to the group (Team).

2. Identify Leaders.

3. Learn and promote trust. (important in combat)

4. Improve strategy by experience.

5. Hone skills and increase the base skill level of the group as a whole.

 

ALL of this was geared towards hunting or combat where working as a team was vital for both survival and success.

But most importantly in all of this was the use of and adherence to “Rules”, it is much more difficult to determine the above elements if there are no rules or if participants do not adhere to them.

Women on the other hand absolutely hate rules because their effort is aimed not at a single shared goal but an individual one.

Women are fine as long as the rules advantage them, but as soon as they become too onerous or in any way hamper her efforts, they are dumped immediately. I would add that I have raised (still ongoing with one) two girls and a boy, both the girls displayed this contempt for rules from a very early age, long before any teaching had occurred, from that I am confident that these traits are evolutionary in nature.

The harder the fight the sweeter the victory

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