“Misogyny” is the “hatred of women”.

There is a big difference between “hating women” and hating what women actually DO. Not the same thing at all. It’s silly, unrealistic and impossible to “hate women” as an entire sex….. just like it would be silly, unrealistic and impossible to LOVE them all. You follow?

The opposite of love is not “hate”. It’s INDIFFERENCE.
I have never made any effort or actions to deliberately hurt any female.
In fact, I could argue that I treat women MUCH too well.

If a woman asks me for the time of day, I tell her what time it is, and then I go about my day. I don’t set her hair on fire. That would be called “hating women”. And unless you go around deliberately hurting women, then you are not a misogynist either. The worst treatment a woman ever got from me was being totally ignored. If she is “hurt” by that, it’s not my problem. I never treated her badly. She can call it “misogyny” all she wants… but women will call fresh air misogyny. Women call video games misogyny. Women call refusing to pay for them “misogyny”. Also not your problem.

Men are simply NOT REQUIRED to treat women well.
But not treating women well, is not even remotely close to treating them badly.

I also know I am not a misogynist, because if a woman treats me badly, even THEN I don’t treat her badly. I treat them better than they deserve. There are times I have wanted to hit a woman – even when she asked for it – and I didn’t do it. That’s called treating women much too well. And that’s what makes me “the better man”. A woman once threw a remote control at me with deliberate intent to hit me in the face. I took her purse and thew it FAAAAAR into the street. “Better go get it!”. When she ran out screaming after it, I bolted the door behind her and didn’t even mail her her shoes. That’s not called “misogyny”. I treated her MUCH too well.

Hope this puts “misogyny” into perspective for you.

I feel anger and rage towards women and their actions.

Then what the hell am I?

You’re just SENSIBLE and JUST.

I feel anger and rage towards women and their actions.

Anger is a legitimate emotion in the face of injustice.
The passive acceptance of evil (or wrong-doing) is not a virtue.

You are simply NOT REQUIRED to be OK with it. You’re not required to “like” women or what they do. If a woman wants to be liked… it’s not up to you anyway. It’s up to HER to be likable. She will either make that effort, or she won’t. If she doesn’t make any effort (and she displays s~~~ty, second-class behavior) only an extreme idiot would not have a problem with it. It’s OK to not like what women do. The entire idea that there is something wrong with YOU is totally inaccurate. There is this entire belief system going around that if a woman behaves in an unacceptable way – and you have objection to it – that this makes you a “misogynist”. But it’s got nothing to do with YOU. It’s a deflection away from the actual problem.

You’re not a misogynist. You’re just…. SANE.

Congratulations.

<cite>@mgtow.com said:</cite>

There is a big difference between “hating women” and hating what women actually DO. Not the same thing at all. .

Agreed. I don’t think being MGTOW means one cannot have a cordial relationship with female supervisors, co-workers, family members, friends, etc. Misogynists I think would either go out of their own way to have no associations with women whatsoever or would be abusive to every female he came across.

@AsianMGTOW-I think another way of looking at this is to compare your feelings towards women with how people with a phobia like arachnophobia react when they see a spider. For those with this common phobia, they hate/fear all spiders and see them all as being evil/ugly/creepy with no regard to whether a particular species of spider is known to bite humans or carry venom. A harmless spider is no different than a toxic spider. If you have a similar revulsion towards all females on the sole basis they’re female, than yes I would say that would make you a misogynist. If as Keymaster said you despise women on their character and behavior, you’re not a misogynist, as you would have the same feeling towards men or children who behaved like women.

To answer your question, no, I don’t hate women.

<cite>@flamesabers said:</cite>
Agreed. I don’t think being MGTOW means one cannot have a cordial relationship with female supervisors, co-workers, family members, friends, etc. Misogynists I think would either go out of their own way to have no associations with women whatsoever or would be abusive to every female he came across.

Very true. In one respect I see MGTOW as the continued education of men in the area of risks/rewards when it comes to male/female interaction and relationships. There is no MGTOW law that states you must avoid women at all costs. It all comes down to the risk you are taking and if it is worth it or not, which certainly applies to other areas of life as well.

You can certainly get a long-term girlfriend, move in together, spend your money on her, etc., but you’ll only have yourself to blame if you didn’t take the time to compare the risks vs the rewards of putting yourself in that situation if it ends up badly for you.

Forewarned is forearmed.

Forewarned is forearmed.

That’s key.

It’s very important to understand it, because very few people do. Including the original poster(!), AsianMGTOW, who actually needed it explained to him and broken down in simple terms. When a man shows objection – any objection – to actual female behavior and openly criticizes it (even when fully justified) he is called a “misogynist”. Eventually , when this happens often enough, he will believe it himself and start thinking there is something wrong with HIM.

… when there isn’t.

This is what the accusation of “misogyny” is intended to do.
It’s a manipulation — and nothing more.

There is even a psychological term for it – known as “gas lighting”. (Movie with Ingrid Bergman) …. whereby a manipulator uses this tactic to try and deflect attention away from REALITY and back on the individual to the point where he would even question his own sanity and perception. Notice too how it WORKED! Even he asked himself “what the hell am I, then”? He has started to question his own sanity and perception.

But the reality is there is nothing wrong with him.
It’s the actual female behavior that’s the problem.

Not enough emphasis can be placed on this and it’s what men need to be educated on. Men are waking up and beginning to realize this manipulation tactic simply doesn’t work anymore. Forewarned is forearmed is exactly right. When a man KNOWS he’s being manipulated and he gets accused of “misogyny” whenever he expresses objection to actual female behavior…. he will be able to say “NO I’m NOT a misogynist. It’s not MY problem. YOUR actions and behavior are the problem. And I will speak about it openly with no apology.”

The accusation of misogyny has had its day. And those days are now OVER.

Hang out with women. Sleep with them if you must. Buy them presents if that makes you happy. Hell, take them on vacation if you want. DO NOT make babies with them, do not sign a marriage contract and do not, under any circumstances, sacrifice your sovereignty or autonomy in exchange for their company.

AND NEVER, EVER internalize their belief that you are somehow responsible for their happiness, unhappiness, sense of safety, well being or any other emotional state. We are responsible for our own emotional state. Happiness is self-generated and something one person can share with another. But you cannot make a woman happy and her happiness is never your responsibility. That erroneous belief is a black hole that will suck you up and spit you out.

Hang out with women. Sleep with them if you must. Buy them presents if that makes you happy. Hell, take them on vacation if you want. DO NOT make babies with them, do not sign a marriage contract and do not, under any circumstances, sacrifice your sovereignty or autonomy in exchange for their company.

This is a great point…. but it should also be pointed out, it’s not even slightly related to women or “misogyny”. This is because of the legal system. The laws are the reason never to sign a marriage contract, move in with her, or impregnate a female just becasuse she says “I really want a baby”. It’s not actually a criticism of “women” (per se). But even still, they will attempt to convince you this viewpoint somehow qualifies as “misogynist”.

And why? Simply because it doesn’t give women what they want.

There is nothing anti-female about it. It’s about never letting the state set one foot in your living room – or personal life. By refusing to engage in this bulls~~~, you are not actually “starving women”… you are starving the system that is pitted against Men which is deliberately designed to transfer your wealth and surplus labor to women.

Denying them that is not “misogyny”. It’s looking out for your own best interests in a world which would rather you didn’t.