Much like the worship of women Christianity is a way for men to calm their existential anxiety and take the weight of personal responsibility off their shoulders by submitting to an external authority, which isn’t extactly “a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else”.

Throughout history some of the greatest men have qualified as MGTOW. Often I hear the rationalization that they were gay, but I think this is more denial on the people saying that; like they can’t accept a man can go through life without a woman (although in some cases they probably were gay).

Michelangelo was devout to Christianity to the point of shunning women. He believed he had a gift from God and was so focused he considered women only a distraction. He didn’t care what anyone thought, only what God thought. In fact the only way he was convinced to paint the Sistine Chapel was because the pope convinced him God wanted it painted (he didn’t care if the pope wanted it painted). Another historical figure is Leo Tolstoy, who was an anarchist. I thought that was a strange philosophy, but his take was that he couldn’t stand behind any government which waged war – something he considered violating his Christian values.

Anyway, the point I’m trying to make is who do you answer to? God or people claiming to be Christian. Nearly every facet of our society violates rules of Christianity in some way or other, and in response Christians seem to rationalize it as humans “progressing” and old fashioned values no longer needed. Back when I had long hair, I’d occasionally catch flack for that by very conservative people (yes those types still exist). To which I’d say I’m trying to model myself after my hero. When they asked who that was, I’d simply reply: Jesus. That shut them right down. Did Jesus get married? No. Did Jesus have a girlfriend? No. In my opinion Christianity only aims to unite men and women when they are already together. I don’t see it as requiring you to be together in the first place.

Er, I won’t get into it much more (particularly about Christians being un-Christian) because this is already too long, but I think you’re taking a good step. Our society shuns spirituality as if it’s old fashioned, yet it seems like all throughout history this has been a key component in human life. All around I see people who seem lost and wondering what is missing in their lives,and I think spirituality is a big part of that.

Christianity! one of my favorite topics! I don’t see any conflict at all man. You may spend some time working this out for yourself but I’m sure you can do it. I think of Jesus as MGTOW from day one. Spoke the truth, came to his own conclusions, wasn’t married, left a huge impact, killed for what he believed in because no one could handle his words. One bad ass dude if you ask me. I keep flashing back to something St. Paul wrote in the New Testament about urging Christians to stay single, but only if they are able. Otherwise, take a wife. That always made sense to me, especially considering the historical era. It would be nice if Jesus would come back soon and show up at the forums to explain a bunch of s~~~ because as old as I am, I still have a boat load of questions and respect for that guy.

(…. unless you make some connection to atheism and MGTOW and you believe if you’re MGTOW you must now automatically be an atheist.)

As a non-religious man, I can tell you – to me – God definitely exist but not in the way I was taught in Sunday school or church. I never thought about it for many years and was sure I was an atheist (and still would say that I am) but “god” has come to mean something else to me – just recently. It is the natural order of things. Absolute truth. The way things ought to be. The “laws” of nature. A very basic sense of right and wrong. Animals are born with this too.

So you can absolutely believe in something intangible and spiritual on top of choosing a lifestyle – and both can be based entirely in reality.

There IS a natural order to things. It is undeniably present in all of us.
And that’s how “god” can exist in a MGTOW lifestyle.

Just one example. I expect no one to agree or understand.

If you are interested in the previous thread… perhaps search the forum for “faith”, “belief system”, “natural order” , or “god” and you should find it.

My parents was Jehovahs Witnesses so you can guess there were some fury when they figured out my stance, especially my mother.  Some of my relatives(although not Jehovahs Witnesses) swore they will make fun of me the day i marry.

One way or another the people in the congregation could not control my behavior through marriage and went my own way and am considering myself agnostic today.