Since there have been lots of rants on this forum, and yes I grew again a bit tired of this, talking about maybe another temporary “red pill fatigue” of mine, but this time rather than taking a personal break from the forum altogether (which I no doubt could do…), here I want to try and give any of you guys, in case you’re interested an opportunity for participating in a brainstorming thread regarding any positive developments of society that we maybe should try to achieve on a hypothetical basis and even as far beyond as at a post collapsed system, as in part f~~~ed up as we may know it today. So yeah, do feel free on your parts to post any positive ideas in that respect that spring to your mind that according to you we should try to pursue in a new society past the collapse.

How do you think should it look like?

— virtually no holds barred in conjunction to phantasy/utopia and open for discussion, albeit do try to keep your own personal negativity down to a minimum or possibly even out of this thread if you could, thank you–

Now one of the reason I am bringing this one up obviously is to have one constructive and for the most part positive thread in here which could also well serve us as just one example for having quite a few positive and thinking souls in the forum as well as a counter argument towards any trollups wrongly calling us or describing as just a big bunch of mostly frustrated individuals, bare of any creative ideas which clearly enough we are not.

But also I guess we maybe should get prepared for the time after any big collapse as it were just in case it might happen even sooner and maybe evn more sudden than ever anticipated by us, so as for us to then be somewhat ready to get back to a first drawer of at least a few raw future ideas to build things up again from scratch, rather than all of a sudden standing there and just go like: “Hmmm, and now what, where should we start…?”

Lately I found myself thinking a lot about it and came up with a few first sort of basic ideals/values that we maybe should strive for such as: truth, reasoning, inner stability, inner strength, (re-gained) real freedom, genuine intrinsic empowerment, inner balance etc.

Yeah ok, by all means do call me a “hopeless dreamer” if you like, but at some point we all have to start thinking ahead somewhere, so this wants to be just some sort of point to start from …

By the way, just the other day I once again by chance came across another youtube channel by person named “Kelly Jones 00”, who you might  or might have heard of before. Anyway this person made a first video in September last year reacting to MGTOW in a way that personally I thought was very reasonable and here it is…

Although Kelly Jones 00 has only started to address issues of feminism  in a somewhat critical way for about three years just like GWW/Karen S., Kelly Jones 00 has actually been around for even longer on youtube with a channel than her, has also pointed out 15 feminism contradictions in another interesting video and has by now, ever since I discovered the channel impressed me slightly more than GWW and Diana D. together, because of a higher degree of rationality and reasoning and that combined with a rather general philosophical approach and that’s why I mention this channel in the philosophical section in here…

Thank you for reading the long introduction for this thread.

Ok, now it’s your turn, gents. Fire away and have fun being creative…!

Ned T.

I’m a new guy here but I’m certainly not new to this issue. The first thing I would like to do is spend a little time defining the problem. Of course most of us have known for sometime that we were getting screwed but most of us attributed it to changing attitudes towards societal structure that was following a natural progression. As I was to learn, nothing could be further from the truth. There has literally been a covert war on the family for sometime. The “reasoning” was overpopulation and the proponents declared war on your family without actually having the b~~~~ to declare it.

My first indication came in 1990 after my first divorce. Once my ex-wife had decided on a divorce,  I couldn’t help but notice that social services began to treat me as if I were a criminal. If their motivation was in the interest of the children, which is what they professed, it didn’t make any sense to me why they would attempt to drive me into poverty and harass me every step of the way. There was no transitional services for fathers who would be required to create more income to provide for two households, no service on how to deal with the loss of your family. Nothing. Just an attack on me and my financial situation. It quickly became obvious to me that their concern for the children was not genuine. They were lying. After more investigation, it became crystal clear that concern for the family or the children was a hoax for another agenda. That agenda was eugenics. Genocide. I specifically came here to share with you what I discovered.

The story begins in 1776, the same year the United States presented Britain with the Declaration of Independence. At the same time, the groundwork was being laid for global domination in Europe. It was the creation of what was self-proclaimed as the illuminati by a Bavarian Jesuit named Adam Weishaupt:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Weishaupt

The plan was to infiltrate the Freemasonry to promote their agenda. At that time, they decided they would promote Feminism to destroy society:

“The secret correspondence of the Illuminati also revealed their plan to use the liberation of women for their purposes, as is stated “There is no way of influencing men so powerfully as by means of the women. These should therefore be our chief study; we should insinuate ourselves into their good opinion, give them hints of emancipation from the tyranny of public opinion and of standing up for themselves; it will be an immense relief to their enslaved minds to be freed from any one bond of restraint, and it will fire them more, and cause them to work for us with zeal, without knowing that they do so; for they will only be indulging their own desire of personal admiration.” “

http://www.newswithviews.com/Cuddy/dennis192.htm

This was a long term plan to gain small victories by slow adjustments to society over time but it was also directed in a deliberate manner. As the plan progressed, they made minor adjustments but never lost site of their ultimate goal:

“This applies in particular to the family relations. A man’s part in the care of children is little more than financial, and his financial obligations will be enforced by the law if necessary, so that they make little demand upon his personal sense of duty. A woman, if she is vigorous and intelligent, is likely to feel that the truncated maternal duties remaining to her are inadequate as a career, the more so as most of them can be performed more scientifically by experts. This feeling would operate much more widely but for the lingering feeling on the part of men that they like their wives to be financially dependent upon them. This is, however, a kind of feeling surviving from an earlier age; it is already much weakened and likely to disappear before very long.
All these developments have diminished the reasons which led people to avoid divorce. As divorce becomes more frequent and more easy the family is still further weakened, since in effect it usually results in a child having only one parent.
For all these and other reasons set forth in Dr. Watson’s contribution, it seems inevitable, for good or evil, that the family as a unit should more and more fade away, leaving no group to interpose its authority between the individual and the State.”
http://www.utilitarian.org/texts/newgeneration.html
This outlines the idea that family ties where a problem for the statists, so they would break down the family structure so that the state would have complete control. They were in effect planning to replace the father with the state and obviously they have become quite successful at it.
The rest of the story gets a little more complicated but is fairly well explained in the documentary of former Libertarian Presidential Candidate Aaron Russo. He describes how Nicholas Rockefeller was attempting to get him to join the Council on Foreign Relations. In this short segment from the documentary, Russo recalls his conversations with Rockefeller concerning how the Rockefeller Foundation funded Feminism and the reasons they did:

David Rockefeller is the Honorary Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations. On one of their websites, it explains their agenda as laid out in 1974:
“… but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault. The hopeful aspect of the present situation is that even as nations resist appeals for “world government” and “the surrender of sovereignty,” technological, economic and political interests are forcing them … ”

“As in the case of the U.S. Constitution, we are more likely to make progress by pressing the existing instrument to the outer limits of its potentialities through creative use, seeking amendments only on carefully selected matters where they seem both necessary and capable of adoption by the constitutionally required majority.”

~ Council on Foreign Relations, Foreign Affairs, April 1974

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/24506/richard-n-gardner/the-hard-road-to-world-order

Their goal is global domination, they believe it must be accomplished by a military tactic called “scorched earth policy.” They want to break down society so the population will accept their solution to fix the problems they created. The CIA is their enforcement arm and the CIA was also involved in promoting Feminism for the purpose of breaking down society:

http://www.rense.com/general21/hw.htm

Of course because this was a covert war, no doubt there are aspects of it that I still have no idea what transpired but I have managed to uncover enough of it to understand what the real story behind rising divorce rates and fatherless children. They attacked our families while we were trying to manage them and they had unlimited resources to accomplish their goal.

Once I understood the depth of their psychological operations, I could no longer blame my wife for what transpired. Although she inevitably made the decision to join the state in breaking up our family, I also understand that she was being manipulated through social engineering propaganda designed to cause her to do exactly what she did. Now they estimate that 40% to 50% of American children come from one parent homes. Have there been any serious attempts to correct that? No, there haven’t. The reason being is because that was their exact goal.

Getting back to how the Rockefellers fit into all of this, here is a speech from one of his yes men from 1969. It explains their master plan, how the family fits into all of this, including feminism & gay rights. It’s all about keeping males from breeding and raising cohesive families. Don’t be surprised if you get seriously p~~~ed off. I know I did:

http://www.savethemales.ca/confirmedrockefeller_plan_to_g.html

If this is all news to you and you have any questions concerning these bizarre series of events, feel free to ask and I am most happy to meet my fellow victims.

Stone

EMHHOW

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mgw:@field%28DOCID+@lit%28gw360395%29%29

The name illuminati is a name they chose for themselves. Most Americans think the American Revolution stands out by itself but these guys were already busy by then. The Atlantic Revolutions:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Revolutions

If you’ll notice, it was called the Age of Enlightenment, as in Illumined.

I talked with a guy named Fritz Springmeier last summer who has been studied them for the last 35 years. He said it is down to three families, the Rothschilds, the Van Duyns from Holland and the pricks who live here that I mentioned earlier. And now for something completely different:

“At the last big Rockefeller meeting of the Lucky Genes Club, he said, we’ve done it through abortion and different techniques.  I guess different techniques is probably poisoning us all, and sterilizing us all, which has been awfully successful actually, when you watch some of the Horizon documentaries they made on it.  Anyway, they also want you to start dying quickly, you see.”

http://cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_1029_Internet__Sold_by_Lies_Despicable__Monitors_You_Who_Must_Be_Predictable_Feb232012.html

But let’s listen to Ret. Maj. Gen. Stubblebine’s wife Dr. Laibow and what she says one of them told her, shall we:

That’s what Women’s Lib is all about, has nothing to do with their right to vote, becoming a police officer, equal pay or any of that other happy horses~~~. It has to do with breaking up the family.

I said “we” as a reference to there being no “we” in MGTOW, since “we” go our own way. MGTOW is not a Dogma and we do not stick together. It’s more like Catma…we stick apart.

…want to achieve in in society the long term…?

For me, it’s life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

!…meanwhile Ned’s wondering what he did to deserve this! LOL!

No I don’t. I am fully aware that our community consists and can consist of all sorts of individual characters. Although I personally hardly am supporting any conspiracy theory whatsoever, everyone certainly has the right to his opinion, but all I was asking for was simply to stick to the topic as such, nothing less and nothing more. Thanks for your contribution, RoyDal. As for everbody else interested in the thread, feel free to keep going guys, thank you…