MGTOWanyone here quit smoking? – MGTOW https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/anyone-here-quit-smoking/feed/ Mon, 08 Jun 2020 18:56:49 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.5.14-6684 en-US https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/anyone-here-quit-smoking/page/433/#post-24404 <![CDATA[anyone here quit smoking?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/anyone-here-quit-smoking/page/433/#post-24404 Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:03:32 +0000 mikaal I relapsed into smoking. My conviction is lacking and I wanted to know if there were any techniques besides exercising and nicotine patch’s to curb the cravings?

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/anyone-here-quit-smoking/#post-24413 <![CDATA[Reply To: anyone here quit smoking?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/anyone-here-quit-smoking/#post-24413 Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:37:21 +0000 RoyDal Cold turkey.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/anyone-here-quit-smoking/#post-24766 <![CDATA[Reply To: anyone here quit smoking?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/anyone-here-quit-smoking/#post-24766 Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:46:35 +0000 .... I did like Roy Dal…cold turkey…I think the most important thing is the DESIRE to quit…if you don’t really want to, no patch will help. Check out the Surgeon General’s  (US) report on smoking…smoke contains 7000 chemical and chemical compounds that change DNA…it’s not just tobacco anymore.  For me, smoking doesn’t pass the cost /reward test. It’s very expensive and makes you feel like s~~~  (kinda like most women).  It’s hard to quit but not impossible.   Best of luck to you!

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/anyone-here-quit-smoking/#post-26004 <![CDATA[Reply To: anyone here quit smoking?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/anyone-here-quit-smoking/#post-26004 Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:00:43 +0000 Yellow Wizard I was able to quit smoking after 20+ years, but I don’t know if my technique will work for you.

I quit drinking alcohol five years ago using a technique called Addictive Voice Recognition Technique, or AVRT.  The technique worked on my smoking just as well.  If you google either AVRT or Rational Recovery it will take you to the site.  It’s free.

When you get there read and understand the model they have for the human mind.  They talk about “the Beast”, or the subconscious part of your mind that controls your overindulgence in things that your body and mind enjoy.  Sex is a thing the Beast enjoys, so in the psychological model your primitive mind hijacks your brain when you get aroused.  It is an instinct that has kept the species alive, so it’s hard to overcome.  Alcohol and cigarettes act in much the same way on your primitive mind, according to the model.  When something is that “good” your lizard brain just doesn’t understand the damage it can do.

Anyway, what you end up doing is making a commitment to yourself to quit drinking (or in your case, smoking.  Or for a MGHOW, pussy).  You then promise to notice your “addictive voice”.  Whenever the “beast” tries to hijack your reasoning centers and convince you that it’s a good idea to light up, you automatically recognize it and basically tell the beast to go to hell.  You might think of smoking dozens of times a day, but you make it a habit to dominate your own mind every time.  AVRT reminds me of meditation practice, where you try to clear your mind of all thoughts.  When a thought enters your mind during meditation, you recognize the thought and then just let it go and continue to focus on your breathing. Eventually it becomes a habit to never lose focus on your breathing at all.

My description hardly does the process justice, so you should check it out yourself.  The most helpful part is the Crash Course and all of the slides.  It takes dedication, but eventually your lower brain gets so accustomed to being shot down every time you get a craving that it stops bothering to even try.

Just remember—no matter what society says, you and your health are NOT disposable.  And unless you can limit smoking to the occasional cigar during special occasions (like the native Americans did with ceremonial pipes) then smoking is disposing of your future time, health, and happiness.

Also know this–that when you kick the habit, Mikaal, you will feel power and confidence over your own mind.  You will know deep inside that you have strength and force of conviction.  That feeling is WAY better than any nicotine buzz.

 

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/anyone-here-quit-smoking/#post-26346 <![CDATA[Reply To: anyone here quit smoking?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/anyone-here-quit-smoking/#post-26346 Sat, 28 Feb 2015 12:39:42 +0000 Keymaster I don’t like cold turkey myself, because I believe it contributes to bingeing. With alcohol too. I say (and you probably won’t like it) but when you really REALLY want one… have ONE. And that’s it. Cut it right out until the next time you really want ONE. Just do that for as long as you can stand it and you might phase it out completely and stop wanting it without realizing it.

The desire just “fades away”.

I was out with a single mom a few years ago – yeah I know, don’t say a f~~~ing word (nothing ever became of it anyway) – and she REFUSED to have a drink even when she really wanted one. Said she was a recovering “wino” and used to drink from her kid’s sippy cup to hide the fact that she was drinking wine. Denial. I asked her… so why don’t you just have ONE???

She said, because then she will have 5.

I said no. Just have ONE… wen you really want ONE…. and leave it at that. Then you’re not going through your life denying yourself these mini pleasures. What’s the point in living? If you want ONE… have ONE. If you want a piece of cake, have HALF. If you want a burger and fries, eat HALF. Mostly it’s about the ONE and not the FIVE anyway. You just wanna taste it, you know? I know you know what I mean.

It also prevents you from having tell everyone “I quite smoking”.. and then if you ever cheat and have one, everyone thinks you’re a weak f~~~ing asshole who can’t keep his own word. F~~~ that. Make no promises, and nobody can vilify you. It’s like any relationship, really. If you don’t “commit”, there is no messy break up.

You know, you can smoke one or two a day and your doctor will never know. Neither will your body. That’s a fact. There are 100 other things you do in a day (like speeding in your car) that are more likely to kill you and are bad for your health than a few good drags.

And if it’s really not what you wanted to hear, then this message will self-destruct in 5 seconds……

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/anyone-here-quit-smoking/#post-26363 <![CDATA[Reply To: anyone here quit smoking?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/anyone-here-quit-smoking/#post-26363 Sat, 28 Feb 2015 13:46:58 +0000 I have to agree with everything here, I quit 3, maybe 4 times, each time I quit, I got better (practice makes perfect). By the last couple of times I was able to go cold turkey, drinking and women too, oh yea, women beat the f~~~ out of my reward center, narcotic effect on me. but smoking is nasty, smells like s~~~ after about 6 mos of being quit. every once in a while I’ll smell cherry pipe tobacco at a fair or flea-market, smells nice, but cigarette and cigars are revolting.

Booze is just too damn destructive to me, I quit drinking the day I turned my lawn and yard into a golf course, 18 holes. Wasn’t thinking I could twist my ankle on the cut PVC pipe I used for the holes. I did allot s~~~ load dynamic f~~~ load of stupid s~~~ drinking, I’m lucky nobody died, especially me. Drinking is BAD news.

I tried cocaine a couple of times, until my friends and I went in on an 8ball, by the next day, it was GONE,,,,,F~~~ that s~~~, up all night laughing till sunrise, and working that day, cheeks and stomach hurting from laughing, hungover drinking beer too; all week feeling like s~~~! that s~~~ canceled it’s self out for me.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/anyone-here-quit-smoking/#post-26733 <![CDATA[Reply To: anyone here quit smoking?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/anyone-here-quit-smoking/#post-26733 Sun, 01 Mar 2015 20:09:33 +0000 constraints_theory ill tell you how i stopped smoking i would smoke one cigarette every hour. if i missed the hour by one minute i wouldn’t go out and smoke id wait until the next hour was up. if once again i missed the window of opportunity i would have to wait. eventually you will catch that opening cause you want one so bad but over time you start wanting it less and less. to the point you can go all day without wanting a smoke. an older man i used to work for suggested this because that was how he had stopped. it worked for him and it worked for me it might just work for you. ive been smoke free for a few years now. but gotta set boundaries and follow thought with them because i believe smoking isn’t so much an addiction as it is a habit. get into a car light up, go out side light up hanging around with some friends light up even if i already had one i would light up! haha ridiculous!

but when you really put things into perspective it boils down “cost/benefit” and for me it wasn’t worth the $7.14 a pack anymore and as many above have already mentioned not only is it expensive but you have to want to stop smoking in order to stop. temptation is always there but damn it beat that bitch back! haha

good luck man

 

I've killed worse than you on my way to real problems.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/anyone-here-quit-smoking/#post-26882 <![CDATA[Reply To: anyone here quit smoking?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/anyone-here-quit-smoking/#post-26882 Mon, 02 Mar 2015 08:34:59 +0000 bren_h I am a smoker of 15 years now (started when I was 30 how dumb eh !!) and have tried to give up numerous times the longest is a year with Alan Carrs Easyway to stop smoking (google it) and that was the best way.

You actually do a 6 hr instructor lead classroom session and if you are still smoking there are two different followup sessions available in the next three months.

If you are still smoking after 3 months you get your money back no questions asked.  Very high success rate and quite painless.  In Australia its $580 for the 3 sessions with the money back guarantee which for me is the equivalent of the cost of 6 weeks smoking at my rate of consumption.  I am a very heavy smoker and patches and gums etc just don’t work from me and I am planning on psyching myself up and doing the Alan Carr method again in the next few weeks.  I think its on the 15th of this month and will keep fellow MGTOWS posted !!

http://allencarr.com/24/usa is the US site and it’s all over the world as a big chain type thing (it started in England years ago).

cheers,

Brendan H.

Level 3 MGTOW.

 

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/anyone-here-quit-smoking/#post-27614 <![CDATA[Reply To: anyone here quit smoking?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/anyone-here-quit-smoking/#post-27614 Wed, 04 Mar 2015 22:20:56 +0000 BrainPilot Mikaal,
I’m a doctor specializing in cardiac anesthesia for high risk heart surgery. I see smokers who want to quit as a routine part of my practice. I won’t bore you with all the health risks you’ve already heard. But I can share some insights with you that may help.

As you are probably already aware, the addictive component of cigarette smoke is nicotine and it is very hard to quit once addicted to it. Addiction specialists have told me that getting people off of nicotine is similarly difficult to getting people off of heroine. It is enormously addictive. This is the bad news.

The good news is that nicotine, by itself, is not that dangerous. Make no mistake, nicotine is not candy. It does have its risks. But compared to the overall risk of inhaling cigarette smoke, the fractional risk of nicotine in that smoke is small. When you read about cigarette smoking causing all kinds of diseases and early deaths, the nicotine is responsible for only a very small part of that damage. It can be a little confusing because most things that are highly addictive, like heroine and cocaine, are also highly destructive to your health. Nicotine is kind of a special case because while it is highly addictive, by itself, it is not responsible for the enormous amounts of damage attributed to smoking.

The reason that cigarette smoking is dangerous is because of several thousand very toxic chemicals that occur in tobacco smoke along with nicotine. These other chemicals are not addictive at all and you won’t miss them or have any cravings or withdrawals from them when you stop inhaling them. But they are toxic and they are taking decades off the lives of people who ingest them. So, if you were smoking cigarettes and inhaling nicotine and nothing else, it would not be the enormous cause of concern that it is now. The point of all this is that it means that if you could separate out the nicotine from the cigarette smoke, you could get the same daily does of nicotine with only a tiny fraction of the risk of getting that dose of nicotine from cigarette smoke.

Basically, I wouldn’t tell you to stop drinking water. But if you were drinking it from a ditch, I would try to steer you to a cleaner source of water. What I’m doing here is telling you that if you find it impossible to quit nicotine altogether, that you can still eliminate the vast majority of risk associated with smoking cigarettes, by just switching your source of nicotine to patches, gum, filters, inhalers… whatever you want really. Any of them is a cleaner source of nicotine than cigarettes.

The source you choose should depend on the way your system normally sees nicotine arrive. If you wake up in the morning and smoke one cigarette at 9am, another at 11am, another at 1pm etc… then you can start with nicotine gum at 8:45am, another at 10:45 am, and another at 12:45pm. The nicotine in gum takes maybe 15-20min to arrive at your brain after you start chewing. Your brain doesn’t care the path of ingestion of the nicotine, only the dose and schedule of arrival. If you’re late with delivering the usual dose to your brain, you’ll get the withdrawal symptoms… But as long as you’re on time, you brain’s physiology doesn’t care how it was sourced.

If you are someone who smokes a cigarette at random times, but when you need one, you need it RIGHT F~~~ING NOW!!!… then you would be better off with one of the inhaled nicotine sources. These deliver nicotine to your brain about 10-15 seconds after inhaling it. If you are already in withdrawals when you realize you need a cigarette, you aren’t going to be able to wait the 15 minutes it takes for gum to make its delivery. Part of the reason that relapse rates with smokers trying to quit are so high, is that smokers who go cold turkey will go for as long as they can without a cigarette and then decide they can’t go anymore and they need one “RIGHT F~~~ING NOW” or they are gonna strangle someone… At that point, a cigarette (or other inhaled source) is the means that will deliver nicotine to your brain the quickest…and the cigarettes are usually the most available, and most familiar source. If you don’t know wether or not you are one of these types of smokers, ask your family and other people in your environment…they can tell you if you are…LOL)

If you’re one of the people who wake up in the morning and just chain smoke continuously throughout the day, you will probably be best served by just putting on the patch at night before you go to bed. You won’t wake up already in withdrawal, and will never have the nicotine levels in your blood falling below the point at which symptoms of withdrawal occur. These patches take a couple hours to begin their delivery of nicotine to your brain, but then work all day long and deliver a steady, continuous dose. You can just change them out over 24 hours.

If you can quit nicotine altogether, great! Do it. But if you can’t, ANY other source of nicotine that you can find that works for you will eliminate more than 90% of the risk of cigarette smoking in order to get that same dose. In addition to eliminating the risks of the things that naturally occur in burnt tobacco, you can also eliminate the risk of the pesticides and herbicides that are sprayed on American tobacco fields. More on that in another post if you’re interested…

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/anyone-here-quit-smoking/#post-27626 <![CDATA[Reply To: anyone here quit smoking?]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/anyone-here-quit-smoking/#post-27626 Wed, 04 Mar 2015 23:04:17 +0000 light I went cold turkey the day I joined the army. I used to smoke like 20, 30 a day. Cigarettes contain so many toxins. I usually motivate myself by thinking about that, just the fact that they contain arsenic trioxide, that you literally inhale down your lungs, should be enough to put you off.

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