MGTOWAbout a Boy through a MGTOW Lens – MGTOW https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/about-a-boy-through-a-mgtow-lens/feed/ Mon, 08 Jun 2020 11:08:35 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.5.14-6684 en-US https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/about-a-boy-through-a-mgtow-lens/page/317/#post-61118 <![CDATA[About a Boy through a MGTOW Lens]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/about-a-boy-through-a-mgtow-lens/page/317/#post-61118 Wed, 03 Jun 2015 00:04:39 +0000 cardenio27 Hi guys Brian Coyle here. I watched ‘About a Boy’ again at the weekend and it got me thinking. Hugh Grant’s character seems to be living the MGTOW lifestyle at first. He is solitary, divides his day up into small blocks where his only interactions are of the pumping and dumping/short relationships type. His friends are urging him to ‘man up’, become a godfather, start a family, stop hovering off the plantation basically. He ends up getting involved with a school boy and his mother through trying to f~~~ her friend. Then begins his journey to the plantation. The problem with his MGTOW lifestyle seems to be his lack of purpose, no drive, as well as unresolved emotional problems that he hasn’t confronted. He is like an empty vessel waiting to be filled, which happens when he ‘falls in love’. While it is important to have social connections, and he really helps out his fellow man in the form of the schoolboy that he befriends, he is trapped by the promise of love and redemption. The two males have a positive impact on each other, but the females in the film destroy the MGTOW within them. The boy is smart, capable and likeable, yet he is crippled by a depressed, suicidal and overbearing mother. His male mother need leads him to latch on to an older girl too. I found the film to contain important lessons: the value of positive male friendships distinct from feminine influences as far as possible, the dangers of not have drive and purpose in your life, as well as the pleasures of conformity and their siren call. Also, the need to confront and resolve, if possible, underlying emotional problems from the past that may divert your MGTOW course. Anyways, that enough from the likes of me. Best wishes my MGTOW brothers. And don’t forget to unfriend me on facebook and tell me to f~~~ off on twitter. Cheers.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/about-a-boy-through-a-mgtow-lens/#post-61339 <![CDATA[Reply To: About a Boy through a MGTOW Lens]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/about-a-boy-through-a-mgtow-lens/#post-61339 Wed, 03 Jun 2015 10:21:57 +0000 RoyDal Good analysis of an enjoyable movie. BTW, it has a ‘Hollywood ending’ which differs substantially from the book.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/about-a-boy-through-a-mgtow-lens/#post-61383 <![CDATA[Reply To: About a Boy through a MGTOW Lens]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/about-a-boy-through-a-mgtow-lens/#post-61383 Wed, 03 Jun 2015 13:18:05 +0000 cardenio27 Thanks RoyDal. It has been a good while since I read the book can’t remember the different ending, I will check it out. Thanks for reminding me.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/about-a-boy-through-a-mgtow-lens/#post-61391 <![CDATA[Reply To: About a Boy through a MGTOW Lens]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/about-a-boy-through-a-mgtow-lens/#post-61391 Wed, 03 Jun 2015 13:35:49 +0000 experienced Akin to a comedian describing Tom Cruise films.  He was a bartender/sports manager/stock car driver/pilot, a pretty good bartender/ sports manager/ stock car driver/pilot, but then he has a crisis of confidence, meets a girl, and becomes a better bartender/sports manager/stock car driver/pilot.

 

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/about-a-boy-through-a-mgtow-lens/#post-61407 <![CDATA[Reply To: About a Boy through a MGTOW Lens]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/about-a-boy-through-a-mgtow-lens/#post-61407 Wed, 03 Jun 2015 14:33:18 +0000 cardenio27 I see what you mean about the Tom Cruise films, and while the whole hero meets conflict, woman, crisis etc. is evident I was trying to look at the mgtow side if possible. Whether I succeeded or not doesn’t bother me. There are also two misandric scenes worth mentioning too. In the single parents’ group, the women relate their experiences of being cheated on by their partners. Hugh Grant’s character falls into the gynocentric trap of concluding that ‘all men are bastards’, that pernicious trope again, and says the stories made him want to castrate himself. He was joking of course but gynocentrically so. To hammer you over the head with the misandry, one of the wome has a ‘Lorena Bobbett for President’ t-shirt on. In another scene, Hugh Grant confronts Toni Collette’s character about her mental illness and says something like ‘let’s sort it out’. A genuine attempt to help her. She responds by using the misandric trope of all men are problem solvers and that doesn’t help me. Of course we like to solve problems and work towards doing that, but to get dismissed even if a more nuanced solution is needed isn’t right. The intention is to help of course.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/about-a-boy-through-a-mgtow-lens/#post-61409 <![CDATA[Reply To: About a Boy through a MGTOW Lens]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/about-a-boy-through-a-mgtow-lens/#post-61409 Wed, 03 Jun 2015 14:45:08 +0000 Himeo I agree with the original posters analysis. The important thing to take away from the film is Meditation 17 by John Donne:

PERCHANCE he for whom this bell tolls may be so ill, as that he knows not it tolls for him; and perchance I may think myself so much better than I am, as that they who are about me, and see my state, may have caused it to toll for me, and I know not that. The church is Catholic, universal, so are all her actions; all that she does belongs to all. When she baptizes a child, that action concerns me; for that child is thereby connected to that body which is my head too, and ingrafted into that body whereof I am a member. And when she buries a man, that action concerns me: all mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated; God employs several translators; some pieces are translated by age, some by sickness, some by war, some by justice; but God’s hand is in every translation, and his hand shall bind up all our scattered leaves again for that library where every book shall lie open to one another. As therefore the bell that rings to a sermon calls not upon the preacher only, but upon the congregation to come, so this bell calls us all; but how much more me, who am brought so near the door by this sickness. There was a contention as far as a suit (in which both piety and dignity, religion and estimation, were mingled), which of the religious orders should ring to prayers first in the morning; and it was determined, that they should ring first that rose earliest. If we understand aright the dignity of this bell that tolls for our evening prayer, we would be glad to make it ours by rising early, in that application, that it might be ours as well as his, whose indeed it is. The bell doth toll for him that thinks it doth; and though it intermit again, yet from that minute that that occasion wrought upon him, he is united to God. Who casts not up his eye to the sun when it rises? but who takes off his eye from a comet when that breaks out? Who bends not his ear to any bell which upon any occasion rings? but who can remove it from that bell which is passing a piece of himself out of this world?

No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend’s or of thine own were: any man’s death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee. Neither can we call this a begging of misery, or a borrowing of misery, as though we were not miserable enough of ourselves, but must fetch in more from the next house, in taking upon us the misery of our neighbours. Truly it were an excusable covetousness if we did, for affliction is a treasure, and scarce any man hath enough of it. No man hath affliction enough that is not matured and ripened by and made fit for God by that affliction. If a man carry treasure in bullion, or in a wedge of gold, and have none coined into current money, his treasure will not defray him as he travels. Tribulation is treasure in the nature of it, but it is not current money in the use of it, except we get nearer and nearer our home, heaven, by it. Another man may be sick too, and sick to death, and this affliction may lie in his bowels, as gold in a mine, and be of no use to him; but this bell, that tells me of his affliction, digs out and applies that gold to me: if by this consideration of another’s danger I take mine own into contemplation, and so secure myself, by making my recourse to my God, who is our only security.

-John Donne

It’s an important aspect of mental health to maintain close friendships with other men and to be involved and interested in the affairs of other men. Not solely for the welfare of other men, but for our own health and welfare.

No man is an island.

It’s too bad Hugh Grants character was living a Red Pill life without knowledge of the Red Pill. But, if he did, it wouldn’t have made a “good” Hollywood movie.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/about-a-boy-through-a-mgtow-lens/#post-61646 <![CDATA[Reply To: About a Boy through a MGTOW Lens]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/about-a-boy-through-a-mgtow-lens/#post-61646 Wed, 03 Jun 2015 21:39:20 +0000 cardenio27 You are spot on Himeo. Meditation 17 is the crucial element for understanding the film. You have succinctly summed everything up much better than I could! (I’m not into the whole brevity thing, more the convoluted spew-it-all out thing and hope it makes some sense). When it clicks with Grant that he wants to help the Marcus character it feels so right and male-oriented. The talent show scene definitely speaks to the male experience of solidarity and helping out a brother. Even has the competitive edge when Grant does his solo (if he wasn’t deliberately focusing the hate on himself by doing it). He was living a Red Pill life without realising it, and of course Hollywood would not be happy if he was aware and created his mgtow island paradise, with island franchises devoid of soul-less harpies and nawalt fantasies.

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