MGTOWA red pill that even Stardusk will have trouble choking down – MGTOW https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/a-red-pill-that-even-stardusk-will-have-trouble-choking-down/feed/ Mon, 08 Jun 2020 15:20:08 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.5.14-6684 en-US https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/a-red-pill-that-even-stardusk-will-have-trouble-choking-down/page/503/#post-6738 <![CDATA[A red pill that even Stardusk will have trouble choking down]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/a-red-pill-that-even-stardusk-will-have-trouble-choking-down/page/503/#post-6738 Sat, 01 Nov 2014 23:25:21 +0000 wonko Women’s mate selection is a Eigen-ik function on the Eigen-er field that is male behavior. Social forces applied to the Eigen-er field also change Eigen-ik function selection resulting in posterity feedback mitigating the effects of forces on the Eigen-er field.
First before we start down this path, let us briefly discuss what an EigenFunction is. An EigenFunction is a mathmetical function that operates on an object, (formally called a vector), with characteristics X1, X2, X3 produces as a result another object with the same characteristics allowing for the possibility of result being scaled or additional constant. In the mathematical world an example would be the derivative functions and the allowable objects are exponential functions. The direvative of e^x equals e^x. A real world non-mathematical example of an EiganFunction is a female genetically homozygous white mouse as a function operating on a white male mouse object producing more white male mice and as a bonus female white mice ie more copies of the EiganFunction.
An Eigen field is a set containing a whole bunch of Eigen vectors.  The final Eigen concept is that with populations, it is not necessary that the result of any one particular function operating on one particular object reproducing exactly the same object. Just so long as the produced object resembles a member object somewhere in the prior generation set of objects. And that these characteristics remain constant in frequency in the population. We have all noticed a steady reoccurance in the crowd of a stranger with a familar face.

Now a brief recollection about population dynamics:
1) If in a population a particular trait (without negative side effect) comes into existance allowing the members that posses that trait to be a bit more successful then over many generations that trait will relentlessly displace the former until most of the members of the population posses the new trait and only a vanishingly small number of members possess the former less successful trait.
2) If in that population a particular trait (WITH a negative side effect that increases with population density of the trait) then the trait will increase in number until the benefit the trait provides just offsets the negative consequences to the population as a whole. Note its the benefit to the population as a whole not necessarily the individuals that posses that trait.
Take for example a minor annoying heterozygous blood mutation that confers some resistance to milaria. When the climate become drier with less disease then this mutation is outcompeted by normal and therby decreases in frequency in the population. When the climate become wetter then the mutation which confers some resistant would increase in frequency. Similarly if all women truely preferred alpha thugs all the time over other men, then thugs would have a selective advangage and as a result after a few generations selection we males would all be thugs. And this has happened to some extent that we males tend to be more aggressive and are not milch cows. Too much thugary and the crime in the street is outta control. Not enough and the defense of the borders falls and the men are replaced by the thug conquerers.

Now we have the tools to begin. Consider a population of women choosing among men with varing degrees of the following three traits, X1 the propensity to be a force proxy i.e. a thug alpha male, X2 the propensity to be emotionally communicatively connected, an “alpha wannabe” beta male, X3 the propensity to ignore females and do his own thing and thereby producing greater wealth, the omega male, X4, X5….Xn.
During normal peace time the air head cheerleader falls for the football jock, they have a child together. After a few years of marriage she discovers that both his physique and his employment prospects are failures. She divorces him and rekindles a romance with a beta, the largest subgroup of the male population. He is a bit pudgy but because he is a little more knowledgeable he is in better shape financially and healthier than her ex-spouse. Later after years with the beta yet unwilling to leave the comfortable life he provides but still wanting some excitement in her life, she then has an affair with the maverick – artist, philosopher, rock band player, movie actor…  In this way all traits X1, X2, X3 that were present in the former generation are recovered and passed to the next generation in approximately the same frequency proportion.
If external stresses occur to the male Eigen-er field then the female will also adjust her Eigen-ik mate selection. She may still stay married to the beta male but the heroic stories of the alpha thug veteran downstairs together with a song and some alcohol and the next generation the fraction of alpha soldiers in the population increases. Similarly the stories of travel to Paris by a beta merchant sound very interesting to the wife of a peacetime soldier who only guards a desk.
Furthermore if extreme forces occur to the population and these extreme forces are present over several generation then whichever of the compensating traits X1, X2, X3 … will more thoroughly displace the competing traits. This is especially true for existential crises.  During existential crises all the non-essential, non-survival, whimsical male characteristics are selected against. When the barbarians are at the gate, Who needs philosophers…We need soldiers!
The reason that artist, philosopher, entertainer, teller of tall tales, and other men who as a group tend not to be good husbands, are allowed to come into existence is because womankind is not particularly stressed nor logical but whimsical, or even bad, at choosing mates. If and when forces occur that force her to become more practical then the outlier males the likes of wonko will likely become a much smaller proportion of the gene pool. Likewise if an artificial womb comes into existence and the people employing it are more practical, logical, reasonable than women as a group then again expect fewer whimsical male throwbacks such as wonko.

The unfortunate consequences of women behavior is the carnage that http://www.mgtow.com sees entering their triage hospital gate for helping men escape womankind craziness, recover themselves, and get their lives back together.

Be careful out there fellas – wonko

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/a-red-pill-that-even-stardusk-will-have-trouble-choking-down/#post-7196 <![CDATA[Reply To: A red pill that even Stardusk will have trouble choking down]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/a-red-pill-that-even-stardusk-will-have-trouble-choking-down/#post-7196 Sat, 08 Nov 2014 15:58:52 +0000 MGTOWBoston I don’t think that SD would have a hard time swallowing that pill.  I get what you’re saying, and you have isolated some factors and given them good practical expressions so thinking about how to disrupt these factors is easier.

Men need to stop selling their sperm for a few hundred bucks, and they need to stop making children with women and making children period – for a time.  Until the sperm banks dry up, and women finally have to abide by our terms in order to have access to motherhood.  The elite know that men would do this rather quickly if we had our own pill. so we don’t see a pill for men on the market.  When it is men calling the shots and deciding which women get to be mothers, provided that most men are MGTOW, we can then move in the right direction evolutionarily.  We cannot make unions of man and woman for children and family based on romantic love between the adults any longer.  We must go more to where we were 100 or so years ago.  Unions to create children should be based solely on that, they should be pragmatic and focused exclusively on providing the children with the best care.  This way children know their mother and father, and do better because of that as studies show again and again.  When people forget about the fantasy of love and instead live according to the practical reality of what having kids inherently entails, then rational men will have a strong influence on what traits are selected for.

All models are wrong, some less so than others.  What holes do you see in my model?

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/a-red-pill-that-even-stardusk-will-have-trouble-choking-down/#post-7733 <![CDATA[Reply To: A red pill that even Stardusk will have trouble choking down]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/a-red-pill-that-even-stardusk-will-have-trouble-choking-down/#post-7733 Fri, 14 Nov 2014 23:32:45 +0000 wonko You are so very right and at the same time a bit wrong but for different reasons. You are very right in that more sensible  choices and behavior by women would produce less trauma amongst children, husbands and families but a bit wrong that it would be a “Brave New World” you wouldn’t want to live in.

Some, perhaps most, women do not make particularly good, or even remotely rational, choices is true. BUT this behavior also causes them to relish the maverick, the philosopher, the artist, the teller of tall tales while the beta breadwinner is away. I know that this is “despicable” behavior but it does bring these vagabonds through from one generation to the next. Without these vagabonds, artists, philosophers, the world would be calmer and more just but you wouldn’t want to live in it. Poor women’s choices favoring flashy, whatever she thinks that is, men is what allows the likes of wonko to come into existence from one generation to the next.

Be careful out there fellas. wonko

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/a-red-pill-that-even-stardusk-will-have-trouble-choking-down/#post-7734 <![CDATA[Reply To: A red pill that even Stardusk will have trouble choking down]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/a-red-pill-that-even-stardusk-will-have-trouble-choking-down/#post-7734 Fri, 14 Nov 2014 23:58:26 +0000 Keymaster Hey Wonko. Please tell Wonko he is one of my favorites here. Cheers. 😉

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
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